Traction - who wants what?

[msavianney]

Hi all,

Time for a quick survey. If you could have any piece of traction created for MSTS, what would it/they be? TSM is a wonderful thing, and the possibilities are great. My choices are

1) A generic Brill semi-convertable
2) PCC
3) Birney
4) A generic Niles wooden interurban

Well, it seems I'm in luck. All of these cars are either underway or are on peoples' to-do list. I'm working on the Niles car and I've just started the birney. Of course, the common thread is that these cars have plenty of repaint options.

Who's next?

Cheers,
Matt A
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[shovelnose]

1) Pre-war original style PCC
2) Post-war 1947+ PCC with standee windows.
3) Blackpool Balloon, twin and single destination screens.
4) Blackpool Brush Car, twin and single destination screens.
5) Generic type Peter-Witt car.

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[tryagin]

Well, let me see....
I like the older turn-of-the(last)-century to 1920's equipment. I'd like to see....
1.A Maguire Snow-Sweeper with snow-effects.
2.A St.Louis Car Co. P.A.Y.E. double-truck semi-convertible, standard AND narrow gauge.
3.A Brill Council Crest 500-series of Portland, Oregon fame (my Grandad's route), also narrow-gauge.
4.A Hollywood car in both Pacific Electric and PEPCO colors.
5.A Brill Master Unit.

Well, that should keep us busy,heh,heh.

Tim

PS~ Matt, how many windows is the Niles you're working on. And are they the flat arched windows, or the gothic arched? The reason I'm asking is PRL&P had two, one of which was re-built with an open platform and named "Portland" and I'd thought about that one for the to-do list. Aw, heck, here's a nice picture of it at River Mill Dam, 1910-ish.
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Thanks for looking,

Tim
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[dchagar]

Besides the Mesaba cars that Matt is working on, here's my dream list:
1. North Shore Electroliner
2. Illinois Terminal Streamliner
3. "Late Model" PCC wide-body (Minneapolis/St. Paul)
4. Train of standard North Shore cars
I'll keep working on the route, you folks build the cars!
Dave

[Thirdrail70]

Yippee!! Now we have our own section in the message boards.

I think that, at least for most North American traction fans, the PCC has the most universal appeal. My favorite version of this model is the pre-war air-electric. City cars as exemplified by the Perley Thomas cars of the city of New Orleans are classics along with both single and double-truck Birneys similar to those which will begin operations this fall in Tampa, Florida. Check out http://www.gomacotrolley.com/ for a look.

[smallspy]

Being a Torontonian, I'd love to see the CLRV's/ALRV's done, as well as the subways as well. However, I know that everyone is busy, so I'll give it a shot...might as well learn, right?

Dan

The only thing to fear, is running out of beer.

[msavianney]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-05-02 AT 06:43PM (EDT)[p]Hi Tim and everyone,

Here are two prototype pics of the Niles car that is starting to take shape in TSM. The first one shows it in its original Milwaukee Northern Ry condition
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These cars were rebuilt by TMER&L (The Milwaukee Electric Railway and Light Co) in the late twenties, and ended up looking like this...
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Of course, with texture alterations, the flat-topped window cars are possible, with many variations of car able to be done. Thanks to Dave's Railpix for the pics.


Cheers,
Matt A
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[tryagin]

Okay, Too long for PRL&P, but probably just right for Oregon Electric! Sweet! Can't wait to see that one. Good luck, Matthew!

Tim

[mrmike]

Hi all;
My first love is Pacific Electric. Any of the rolling stock used thru the eras of operation. I lived in Brooklyn New York from 1938 til 1949, and rode most of every subway & trolly line that was in operation. It is my hope that many traction cars & trolleys will be modeled & I encourage those that do.
My computer specs are in my profile.
Mike

[chuckzeiler]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-06-02 AT 10:58AM (EDT)[p]I'd like to see a couple of standard items that the rest of us could freely use, such as Baldwin trucks, interurban knuckle couplers, trolley poles, controller stands, etc., fairly standard equipment that the original manufacturers used.
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[tryagin]

Chuck,

I think that's a roaringly good idea. I thought of this myself today while building a special design truck for the boxcab I'm building. I've got a K-36 controller already, and I'd be happy to upload it to the library, possibly along with the Fuller 2-motor truck. I'm going to make some brake equipment and other appurtances, too. But all in due time. But yah, that's a great one!

Tim
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[dkunath]

Possibly a little off topic, but would love to see lots of activities on routes featuring traction.

Dwayne

[tryagin]

Okay, here's another piece that would be a "must-have" for any traction property:
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A street-sprinkler, used to keep down the dust along tracks in the streets.

I don't have any plans for this, is there anyone out there who might have of a similar unit? Matt? ( T.M.E.R.L.)

Tim

[msavianney]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-09-02 AT 07:08PM (EDT)[p]Hi Tim, and all,

A sprinkler? Easy Peasy! I think I've seen that car before!!!

I've got TMER&L refs, as well as some Sydney, Australia pics. Should be easy, if I use currently extant parts. Such a car would be a nice distraction, and help eradicate the temptation to smach the computer when my other projects aren't cooperating :-)

About parts, I'm willing to pass on bits and pieces that I've made in TSM. If anyone wants parts from my Milwaukee 1100 or Speedrail lightweight, just let me know...

Cheers,
Matt A
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[century242]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-09-02 AT 11:03PM (EDT)[p] I'll second the request for a Niles Interurban
and how about a GE 650 class
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"KEEP ON TRUCKIN BY TRAIN"
"Your Freight Goes Great, When it Goes By Great Northern"

Erik Pierson
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[BobHe]

SF Muni PCC (Any vintage)

[tryagin]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-11-02 AT 12:54PM (EDT)[p]I'm kicking my butt around the block now, because I had plans for the SN Steeplecabs you're talking about, from an old issue of Model Railroader. They were done in 1/48 scale and very nice. I don't remember the mo/yr of that issue, but I just recently got rid of of all my old issues(this was before Trainsim and TSM,of course!). Now, I regret that! :-( So, if any one who may have this particular issue and knows what I'm talking about, please consider scanning and posting the plans, or e-mailing them to me, and I'll consider building it!

Tim

[Interborough]

PCC
Electroliner
Any old New York (manhattan) or brooklyn trolley
BRT #1000
Any CSS
Any PE
Any American LRV


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John

[bcdef]

a Union Pacific trolly!
gas powered!


Union Pacific railorad is the the best railroad in the world!
if we want it to stay like that we better pay tribute!
Union Pacifc Railroad has ben around longer then any other MAJOR railroad. UP is the best MIX of all railroad stuff.

[cohearn]

Hi,

I'm from Chula Vista, CA(San Diego area) and we are serviced by the Blue Line of the San Diego MTS System. They operate around 72 Siemans-DuWag U-2 units and fifty some Sd-100's. The Denver light-rail system also has these models. I am looking for units to both operate and to use as static scenery. The old Santa Fe Depot is unique in that it still is in use with the light rail system tracks adjacent to the Amtrak and Coaster tracks. Any help in this search would be welcome.

Regards,

Charles

[century242]

Well, we have the plans for the SN GE 650. just got them today. we are working on several other projects, but we are going to attempt to fit it in soon


"KEEP ON TRUCKIN BY TRAIN"
"Your Freight Goes Great, When it Goes By Great Northern"

Erik Pierson
Sacramento, Ca
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Bringing the steam locomotive to the digital age!
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[CGW409]

Hi
How about a wooden interurban caboose without the cupola or bay window. I've seen photos of them in use on the North Shore as well as the Roarin Elgin and would guess that it was a fairly common type for interurbans

[avallillo]

Anything of the Chicago South Shore and South Bend; from the old era, that is, not the new Japanese equipment.

[ChooChooCharlie]

Wow! Umm any PCC or Brill would be just fine... :D

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Cheers
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Charlie

[gatecityca]

Well, one among many would be Pacific Electric interurban car 1318 (car 100...the Arrowhead Springs car...from one of PE's predecessors, San Bernardino Valley Traction Company). The SBVT was a pretty obsucre company that operated primarily in San Bernardino and its neighboring cities of Highland, Redlands, and Colton in southern California. Not sure if too many people here have heard of the SBVT Co or have much background info on it, but if so..."combo" interurban car 100 would be nice! :)

Chris

[denverrails]

Now that we have two steeple cabs, a box motor and freight trailer would be great. Anyone for a line car?

Wally

[Overkill211]

I'm thinking:
Pacific Electric 300/400-series [St.Louis/Pullman] "blimps"
Pacific Electric 600/700-series [St.Louis/Brill] "Hollywood cars" (remember Roger Rabbit?)
Any Birney safety car [Brill] (although Pacific Electric #331 made an appearance in "Singing in the Rain")
Pacific Electric 1600-series [Built By P.E.] offset-hood steeplecabs
And pretty much anything from the LARy (although modelling for 3'6" gauge adds a new element of complexity).

[gatecityca]

oh yeah, definitely a blimp would be nice...especially if someone could make the executive car PE1299. Also, if someone does get around to designing any 1600-series locomotives, PE1624 would be great. This loco STILL EXISTS at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA. In fact, I think it is the last remaining Pacific Electric locomotive. Unfortunately, the last I heard it was not in running condition...it needed a few replacement resistor elements, some repair work done on one of the traction motors, and SEVERELY need a major paint job. But it's there, and hopefully they'll get it running again sometime.

Chris

[Overkill211]

Heh heh. OERM. Where else do you think I was exposed to all of these things for 12 years. ;-)

[BigDave]

>Hi all,
>
>Time for a quick survey. If you could have any piece of
>traction created for MSTS, what would it/they be? TSM is a
>wonderful thing, and the possibilities are great. My choices
>are
>
>1) A generic Brill semi-convertable
>2) PCC
>3) Birney
>4) A generic Niles wooden interurban
>
>Well, it seems I'm in luck. All of these cars are either
>underway or are on peoples' to-do list. I'm working on the
>Niles car and I've just started the birney. Of course, the
>common thread is that these cars have plenty of repaint
>options.
>
>Who's next?
>
>Cheers,
>Matt A
>http://forums.flightsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3cfd44d057a033ca.gif


The Steam Trams of The (now defunct) Mumbles Tramway, circa, lets say, 1910?.

TTFN,
BigDave

[andrew510]

i want my mbta!

any mbta green/white lrv

any mbta green/silver lrv

any mbta red/white pcc

any mbta green/white pcc

[wc581sdl39]

North Shore Electroliner & any and all North Shore Equipment


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[tryagin]

I am working on an Alco-GE 50 ton steeplecab that would paint-up into a nice NS 453 there. And if I had the plans for the four-trucker freight motor, I'd start to build that in a New York heartbeat, as that is the ex- Oregon Electric 50, built in the O.E. shops in 1941, I think. I believe also, that one of our brethern is working on the Electroliner.

Tim

[Srj28]

That Electroliner could be a nice complement to the traction fleet.Anyone who knows if they still exist??

[msavianney]

The two Electroliners still exist, one at the Illinois Rail Museum and the other at Rockhill (IIRC). An announcement will be made soon about my TSM electroliner, which is in early stages at the moment. I'd like to finish it, although it won't be really soon!

Cheers,
Matt A

[Srj28]

Oh,thats briliant!!
that,and other North Shore material would be so nice,or a Milwaukee articulated interurban

[Interborough]

To add to that:
http://www.nycsubway.org/bmt/bmt-trolley/pcc/bkpcc1039.jpg
Brooklyn! The classic trolley line (hey if there wasn't a trolley, there would have been no Dodgers). The last line (Queensboro Bridge) closed in 1957, the same year the Dodgers left Brooklyn.

[oldrailfan]

I'll second this, though I no longer live in the San Diego area.
Also, PCC's from San Francisco Muni, Washington DC and/or Pittsburgh

[Traindude]

I'd like to see the Seattle Waterfront Streetcar.

These are rebuilt '24 W-2 cars imported from Melbourne.
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[homer13j]

Add another vote for the Niles car. A Jewett combine would be nice as well. If I do ever get around to finishing my already-DEMed Lake Shore Electric I could use a birney as well as some CERA round-end freight cars.

Stuctures: Small powerhouse, better substation than the default one, and lots and lots of storefronts.

Would there be much interest in the LSE route (Toledo-Cleveland)? I am going back to work soon, and I could bust my can to get the trackwork done before that.

[888m]

I'd like to see the A, B, C, D, W & Z series Trams from Melbourne in MSTS.

[philmoberg]

While we're on the subject of my home town, one of the new Canal Line cars would make an interesting model as well. Maybe when I get done with the backlog of stuff I'm already working on... -Phil

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[Reg_Kray]

Full set of Brussels PCC cars, 7000, 7500/7700, 7900 and the 2000 series as well! Started doing a 7000 in TSM but it was a complete disaster....any Belgophiles want to have a go I will help in any way I can...

Regards
Reg

[Eric in UK]

I would second the request for Melbourne trams, although I also run German trams and routes, and Mesaba Electric with STS Interurbans.

I think it is important that the wire height and pantograph height should match and that if a route includes trams, they should have the same height, particularly for real routes. U79 is good in that respect and also the Rheinbahn and Linie 27 routes.

My limited expertise is in editing ENG, WAG and CVF files and writing simple activites. Modelling trams or routes is beyond me, so I await developments with anticipation and patience.

Eric

[Literalman]

I would like Washington Metro cars that don't require electrification and don't smoke. I'm working on the modern RF&P and including the parallel Metro. The route is not electrified, but I would like to have operating (and driveable) Metro trains running on the Metro tracks.

[landrvr1]

msavianney stated ages ago that he was working on the Electroliner for MSTS. anyone know what happened to that project?

[shovelnose]

A pre-war air-electric PCC (1936-1945) would be very nice :-)

Alan

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[AEM7AC 920]

a Breda Type 8 car to top off the Type 7 and Boeings would be nice also maybe someday i will get to it.

[P42number1]

Philly LRV!

[ATSF104]

Pacific Electric like in ChooChooCharlie's pic
Steeplecab SN

-Matt

[goonybird]

I'd really fancy that fleet of Paris-metro units from the 1910s. I think their large windows made them very modern for their time, or am I wrong?

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Cheers
goonybird

http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Bayou/4804/ a fictitious network serving London, Weymouth, and points in between

[msavianney]

Yeah, I had so many articulation and bounding box problems that I put it on hold - and I've been working on so many other projects that I haven't got back to it. It is still there, waiting for 'the day'! Does this make me the 'vapourware king'?!?!?!

Cheers,
Matt

[OCrailfan]

How about the famous New Orleans 832? Photo 1 from 8/10/03 and the other from 9/14/03.

[tryagin]

Vapor means dissapating into thin air, doesn't it? Well if you've still got it on your workbench, then it hasn't vaporized. It's "On Hold" waiting for the right moment, whether it's inspiration, enlightenment, or whatever. You haven't given up on it. You're just waiting for the right time to re-start it, be it tomorrow, or next Summer. I have several of my own projects on hold. They haven't been forgotten by any means, but sometimes the drive to finish a model gets lost and gets picked up later. Heck, this is a hobby, and we do it when and if we get the time. If there are those who cannot wait for a particular model to come out, then perhaps their time should be spent learning how to work the programs needed to put out their favorite models. Matt, you're a busy guy, with one of the most stressful occupations anyone could do, and not anyone could do what you do. May you have a Merry Christmas, and thanks for teaching me how to work TSM so long ago.