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Piccadilly_Line
04-16-2003, 01:12 PM
Do I ever stop ;) ?!

V2 of NETram will cover route 73. This starts at Railway Station terminus : this is on the right as you're about to pass under the railway line (but not seen in v1). Route 89 will be updated to go with Alex Farlie's updated history of the system. Meanwhile, 73 leaves the station on high level and then down a slight gradient, 90 degree to the left to pass over the railway lines (tying in with 60s Branchline route which passes below!), after the lines it takes a sharp left hand turn again so it's doubling back on itself and then a very long gradient down firstly to a small stop at Railway Station North, then carrying on down to street level and below to call at Town Hall Square, but different platforms from route 89. The line climbs out of THS stop to street level, running streight along. We join 89 at the junction after West St stop, then follow 89 as far as Hull St. We carry streight on to the main City Interchange : a massive interchange with facilities for cars, buses, trams and trains. We exit the tram stops at CI into the bus and taxi stops, and then up a ramp onto the platforms at Northernville City Interchange BR station. After a pause here we slope down under the tracks and out back onto the streets. After a mile or so negotiating one way systems, we end up on the central reservation of the main dual carridgeway to the docks. Through the docks, we stop to allow dockers for the suburbs to join. Our trip then takes us through the suburbs dropping off occasionally. There's then a run through new development, occaisionally dropping off passengers. Around here the houses become more under construction, and then we arrive at Northernville Borders stop. This has two centre terminating roads but the outer lines continue further. We pick up a few passengers who were on terminators, and then with two dings from the conductor we roll out into open countryside. A longish journey through fiends ends on the outskirts of Stamford, where a layout similar to Northernville Borders is negotiated. After a short journey through new housing estates we stop at South Fleet, before diving underground. These sections were constructed for trials for the Stamford City Underground, this section being completed in the 1950's but progress halted until the 1970s due to lack of funding. The tunnels found use for the trams. We stop at North Fleet and Elvaston and Stamford Victoria before bursting out into the open again, and thence onto a viaduct to stop at Central. Since Stamford Borders trams of the Stamford Transport Corperation will have been seen. Route 73, the link between Northernville and Stamford is a joint venture between the two companies and thus operated accordingly. Due to bad weather which occurs on top of the viaduct, here our tram takes power from a 3rd rail system, the design of which was reused by DLR engineers in the 1980's (nice excuse for using Richard Gellman's rail objects pack ;) ). The manager of the company used poor specification OHLE and it frequently succumbed to poor weather. Despite engineers quoting for weatherproof OHLE, it was dismissed as too expensive, and therefore all trams working over this section must either have a 3rd rail shoe fitted. To overcome the problem of non - fitted cars working over the route, sidings at either end of the viaduct contain small 4 - wheeled flat trucks with 3rd rail apparatus and wires which clip onto contacts on top of the pantograph. This operation is done by the conductor using a long *wooden* pole for obvious reasons! The trucks are coupled and uncoupled, wired and unwired here accordingly. We continue on viaduct over the city for a while before returning to street level. A short section of reserved track brings us into the embryonic Stamford Airport, only recently opened. It would later become a huge international facility.

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Routemaster J
04-16-2003, 02:37 PM
Nice history but I take it this route is still under construction?! :9

Piccadilly_Line
04-16-2003, 02:39 PM
Very under construction, only just done a tiny bit of it!!

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smile2evan
04-16-2003, 02:49 PM
Nice an immaginative scenario Tom.

Good luck with the development. Will there be a new type of tramcar available?

Smile2evan

alex_farlie
04-16-2003, 07:51 PM
>Do I ever stop ;) ?!
>
>V2 of NETram will cover route 73. This starts at Railway
>Station terminus : this is on the right as you're about to
>pass under the railway line (but not seen in v1).

Don't forget the Coal Office yards..... A large number of
stations also had at least some good sidings..


>Route 89
>will be updated to go with Alex Farlie's updated history of
>the system.

As such Tom it needs very little updating. Assuming a 1950's
setting the route need little alteration ( except of course
resolving some of the 'timestorm anomaly' objects. ;-)

If you want to use the history LMK..

>Meanwhile, 73 leaves the station on high level
>and then down a slight gradient, 90 degree to the left to
>pass over the railway lines (tying in with 60s Branchline
>route which passes below!),

Nice..

>after the lines it takes a sharp
>left hand turn again so it's doubling back on itself and
>then a very long gradient down firstly to a small stop at
>Railway Station North, then carrying on down to street level
>and below to call at Town Hall Square, but different
>platforms from route 89.

OK. I assume it's still in tunnel Though...

The line climbs out of THS stop to
>street level, running streight along. We join 89 at the
>junction after West St stop, then follow 89 as far as Hull
>St.

>We carry streight on to the main City Interchange : a
>massive interchange with facilities for cars, buses, trams
>and trains. We exit the tram stops at CI into the bus and
>taxi stops, and then up a ramp onto the platforms at
>Northernville City Interchange BR station.

Unlikley for a 1950's route, but not implausible..

What would be more likley is that the trams run along
a 'carrige road' in the station. The carrige road being
provided during rebuilding works at the turn of the century.


>After a pause
>here we slope down under the tracks and out back onto the
>streets.

This ties in with having a carrige road tb2000.

>After a mile or so negotiating one way systems, we
>end up on the central reservation of the main dual
>carridgeway to the docks.

Dual Carrigeway in 1950? I'm having to assume Northenville
Docks had some major wartime role that's still under 70
Year rule..

>Through the docks, we stop to
>allow dockers for the suburbs to join. Our trip then takes
>us through the suburbs dropping off occasionally. There's
>then a run through new development, occaisionally dropping
>off passengers. Around here the houses become more under
>construction, and then we arrive at Northernville Borders
>stop.

This would tie in with limited overspill construction
post war. BUT bear in mind Green belt legilsation came in
around 1947. Maybe yhis explains the seemingl yopne country
on the next route section..

>This has two centre terminating roads but the outer
>lines continue further. We pick up a few passengers who were
>on terminators, and then with two dings from the conductor
>we roll out into open countryside.


> A longish journey through
>fiends ends on the outskirts of Stamford, where a layout
>similar to Northernville Borders is negotiated. After a
>short journey through new housing estates we stop at South
>Fleet, before diving underground.


> These sections were
>constructed for trials for the Stamford City Underground,
>this section being completed in the 1950's but progress
>halted until the 1970s due to lack of funding.

OK. This does tie in with what I have heard about Milton keyens
(a 60's New town). However at the time Busses or at least 'trolley'
buses might have been considerd a better alterantive.


>The tunnels found use for the trams.

Sub surface- construction therfore I would imagine.

> We stop at North Fleet and Elvaston
>and Stamford Victoria before bursting out into the open
>again, and thence onto a viaduct to stop at Central.

>Since Stamford Borders trams of the Stamford Transport Corperation
>will have been seen. Route 73, the link between
>Northernville and Stamford is a joint venture between the
>two companies and thus operated accordingly.

OK... Given whats been said in the other forum it seems the STC
would be the larger of the two concerns.

Note, however that in the late 40's nationalisation of
transport concerns made the distinction between fromer company
areas a point of tradtion rather than operation.
The NTC had been in municpal hands since 1936, whereas the
STC had been a provate concern until nationalisation.

The result of nationalisation did not change much at NTC
however it meant major senior level managment changes at STC.

>Due to bad
>weather which occurs on top of the viaduct, here our tram
>takes power from a 3rd rail system, the design of which was
>reused by DLR engineers in the 1980's (nice excuse for using
>Richard Gellman's rail objects pack ;) ). The manager of the
>company used poor specification OHLE and it frequently
>succumbed to poor weather.

Erm? I think this is highly implausible, a historcial backtracking
from the DLR type system perhaps. The 3-drail system being
a 'curiosity' until the 1980's.

Despite engineers quoting for
>weatherproof OHLE, it was dismissed as too expensive, and
>therefore all trams working over this section must either
>have a 3rd rail shoe fitted. To overcome the problem of non
>- fitted cars working over the route, sidings at either end
>of the viaduct contain small 4 - wheeled flat trucks with
>3rd rail apparatus and wires which clip onto contacts on top
>of the pantograph. This operation is done by the conductor
>using a long *wooden* pole for obvious reasons! The trucks
>are coupled and uncoupled, wired and unwired here
>accordingly. We continue on viaduct over the city for a
>while before returning to street level. A short section of
>reserved track brings us into the embryonic Stamford
>Airport, only recently opened. It would later become a huge
>international facility.

Which for youe period in the 1950's would be very true.

Senic note- You will need a few period planes... and of
course an ex-wartime hanger... In fact I'm assuming that
Stamford International was formely RAF Stamford- a Costal Command
Station?


BTW Tom... you've included Docks, which make my comments
about Stmaford being in South Yorhsire a little difficult to reconcile.

However I'm prepared to accept that local government re-organisation
in 1974 may have happend slightly differnetly in the Northnville/
Stamford universe..

Blimey!... It's hard enough trying to think in the beck Line, and APT-Europa universe ithout having nylon ladders[2] in the knotted
twists of time to think about ;-)

Alex

[2] A Major expasnsion in the production of synthetic fibres was
why Stmaford expanded post war.

Downunder Tom
04-17-2003, 01:15 AM
Great.... Can't wait.

As for my idear of Croydon, download the diagrams From the Unoffical Croydon site to have a look at, Also Have a Bahn version of the network already.


There is lots of info on the site worth reading...

www.croydontramlink.co.uk


Tom

Piccadilly_Line
04-17-2003, 05:01 AM
Would be v. nice to use your history Alex :).

To change it to fit, you said some trams were stored in the THS tunnel? It'd probarbly need the main service to use the THS bypass tunnel which is on the right before you enter, so I could include some rusty points.

The Docks... maybe inland docks?

Hmm, maybe not DLR style 3rd rail, maybe normail 3rd rail?

There were postwar dual carrigeways with trams down the middle, Sheffield had quite a few.

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alex_farlie
04-17-2003, 07:41 AM
>Would be v. nice to use your history Alex :).
>

Feel free. (With credit) of course the notes don't
cover the pre-war period or indeed the 1960's rundown
of the system in any great detail.. You would need to
add some comment in these areas based on plausible
historical speculation.( Of course if you are able to
use genuine sources and include comments based on them
on a 'it was reasonable based on evidence in other simmilar
towns and circumstances' then you've got a skill that wil
come in useful if you do History at GCSE...)

An example might be a comment that the municpal authorities in
Northenrville, constructed a route extension as a means of
providng labour during an ecnomic depression.

Then there is the affair of a local (Tory) MP who tried to drive a tram during the General Stirke. He got an 'exlposive and firey reception' from more militant members of a local union branch quotes a letter from the branch's general Secraty to the union's HQ.'.. whilst the union cannot officaly condone such acts, it is obvious that he should have known the depth of opinions amongst the membership...'
(The letter is know held as part of an archive on trade-union
activties in the area, at Stamford Central Library.)


>To change it to fit, you said some trams were stored in the
>THS tunnel? It'd probarbly need the main service to use the
>THS bypass tunnel which is on the right before you enter, so
>I could include some rusty points.
>

As a Wartime measure yes.. Obviosuly a 'normal' service
ran through the THS tunnel once hostilities had ceased.

>The Docks... maybe inland docks?
>

Possibly. But bear in mind that given the suggsted scenario
concernign the system (and town history), the docks must
have played a failry signifcant role in the war. I can't
find anything in the Stamford Central Library though (70
year Rule?)

It's likley that the intended target of the German Raid
may have been the docks, but I can't confirm this with
sources availble to me at present.


>Hmm, maybe not DLR style 3rd rail, maybe normail 3rd rail?
>

Side Contact? There were other systems at the period..
(You could still use the DLR style Rails though :-) )

>There were postwar dual carrigeways with trams down the
>middle, Sheffield had quite a few.

Ahhh. I wasn't aware of this but thanks for pointing it out..

Alex

Routemaster J
04-17-2003, 07:57 AM
I quite like the entire description, I know some parts aren't very realistic with fitting to the era, but I am sure it will be a good route as sugeested! :)

Good Luck, I know you probably wont need it though, you have done very well so far :)