Any Attorneys Here?

[Baldwinbob]

Taking my Westy (26#) out on his rope the other morning, there was the neighbors Rottweiler in my yard, not good by any means.

After a little yapping by my dog and me hollaring, the Rottweiler started to growl at me so in the house we went.

My question: After reading my deed it says with a majority vote from the land owners, the covenant can be changed. Like banning Rottweilers and Pit Bulls?

Do I have a legal leg to stand on?

Sure sucks when you don't dare take your own dog out in the yard, on a rope, without having to worry about a Rottweiler coming around the corner.

Thanks for any advice,

Bob and O'Riley

[rpicardi1]

Not a lawyer.

Rather then ruining it for all of the responsable owners of slobbering rotts and friendly pitts in your neighborhood, why don't you call your local animal control Monday and file a complaint about the loose dog. Most communities have laws prohibiting dogs from running loose, and, or, not under the owner's control.

The owner of the rottweiler is also taking a risk by letting his dog run loose. Around here, we have leaches like Sam, Lee and Hession that advertise on TV all day long, looking for cases to launch lawsuits over, such as dog bites. There big money for the lawyers and bankrupcy for the dog owner, if the case is sucuessful or not.

SRV Ron

[sinclair97]

Hi Jim,

I was shocked to hear you live in such a neigbourhood where there are gangsters, dogfights, and police that don't do anything. I certainly admire your guts for standing up to both the gangsters and the police in your pursuit of getting a better community.

As to Pitsie, it is going to be mighty interesting if anyone, say in six months time, tries to break into the house.

BTW What other methods do the hoodlums harras you?

Mike :o

[Baldwinbob]

>>>why don't you call your local animal control Monday and file a complaint about the loose dog. Most communities have laws prohibiting dogs from running loose, and, or, not under the owner's control.<<<

Ron, after reading the following story in todays News Tribune I have to wonder, this is my old stomping grounds about 60 miles south. Unbelievable, seems a dog has to kill a child before something gets done. Guess I'll have to make a few calls and keep the dog on the short leash for the time being.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/9134494.htm

Off we go,

Bob

[rpicardi1]

Thankfully, animal control around here has had better luck enforcing the laws. They are quick to take action against dogs that constantly run loose and prosicute the scum holding dog fights.

But, like most agencies these days, there are gaps when they are unavailable for complaint calls espically on the weekends. (Exception is when the police break up a dog fighting ring in the city or one hidden in some barn in a rural area. Those dogs are held until the offenders are prosicuted. Then, they are put down as non adoptable, which they usually are.)

Some of the police tend to go overboard around here and have been known to shoot a family pet on one of their drug raids at the wrong address.

A stray is usually not a problem. They will split if they see someone. A pack of strays is trouble looking for a place to happen. Fortunely, that doesn't appear to be a problem in the township. (Different story in the rotting city where big dogs, rottweilers, and pit bulls are found tied up, or running loose, in every other back yard.)

Best protection against strays is a secure fence, electric top wire, inspect daily for signs of digging under, nosy neighbors that will respond to problems, and a shotgun. (Just be sure to quickly despose of the evidence before the animal rights people find out and call the police.)

The horse I didn't have to worry about. He would have wiped out any stray that dared to get into his pasture. I keep my minis inside at night for their protection as they are too curious about dogs to stay out of trouble.

SRV Ron

[Baldwinbob]

Jim, buy powerball tickets, all you can afford, and get out of there.

I've been doing a lot of reading the last week about Rottweilers and Pit Bulls (two Rots to the south and one Rot and Pit Bull to the north) and I cannot see anything good about having either in a residential neighborhood. Out on the farm or something, ok.

This arse to the south seems to enjoy scaring people, his dogs rope goes almost to the curb, anybody walking by gets a huge rush of adrenaline.

Not to worry, I have a Pit Bull in training.

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In fairness, if a Rottweiler or Pit Bull are trained properly they can be a good pet. However, something that will fight to the death just doesn't seem like a dog I'd like to have. Good luck!

Off we go,

Bob and O'Riles

[rpicardi1]

Sounds like Saginaw East Side. Actually, there is so much lead poisoning, nothing to do with paint, going on at all times of the day and night over there, that the originized dog fighting that used to be common place, has slowed down a lot.

Of course, given the budget cuts, abandoned housing, anyone with money moving out, liberal judges, and skeleton police force that is left, nobody sees anything, or hears anything.

SRV Ron

[sniper297]

Hee-hee, this thread has really gone to the dogs!
Sorry, couldn't resist.

Actually, Mike, they don't harass me that often, because when they do it directly they usually regret it. Most of the time they're too busy fighting each other to even do sneaky stuff like vandalizing my car.

"Sounds like Saginaw East Side. Actually, there is so much lead poisoning, nothing to do with paint, going on at all times of the day and night over there, that the originized dog fighting that used to be common place, has slowed down a lot."

Yeah, the cops refer to it as the "self cleaning oven" effect, if enough of them kill each other it eventually quiets down by itself.

"Jim, buy powerball tickets, all you can afford, and get out of there."

That's what this discussion is really about, defending your turf. Biggest problem with "Thine Alabaster Cities" nowadays is people run away instead of defending, and eventually find there's nowhere left to run. West Side and South Side of Chicago turn into battlegrounds, anyone who can afford to runs to the suburbs. Now Maywood, Bellwood, Blue Island, Harvey, you name it all have the same trouble, even the once sleepy little town of Aurora on the Fox River is a shooting gallery.

"This arse to the south seems to enjoy scaring people, his dogs rope goes almost to the curb, anybody walking by gets a huge rush of adrenaline."

That's where it starts, let them get away with little things like that. My neighbor is a jerk endangering people with his dog, so I'll move somewhere else? I don't think so, if the guy can't be convinced to keep the dog in a fenced yard, legal action can and should be taken to force him, or make HIM move out. Police are bureaucrats like any other government agency, and sometimes have to be shoved into doing their job, an aggressive dog on a long rope that extends to public property is a clear and present danger to the community. Tolerate the little crimes and the big ones WILL follow.

"Just be sure to quickly despose of the evidence before the animal rights people find out and call the police."

I've shot dogs before, it's called self defense. I'm not a lawyer either, but if baldwinbob had killed the Rottweiler in his own yard it's highly unlikely they would even try to indict, check with the ACLU on being threatened on your own property.

"In fairness, if a Rottweiler or Pit Bull are trained properly they can be a good pet. However, something that will fight to the death just doesn't seem like a dog I'd like to have."

That explains a lot of things, I always wondered why nobody wants to adopt ME.

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"Not to worry, I have a Pit Bull in training."

Now THAT'S a classic pic, here's one of my favorites of a really dangerous dog:

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[runaway_b_unit]

I heard Washington, D.C. has the worst crime rate in the U.S. I don't know if it's true, though.

[sniper297]

Hard to say, actually, since it depends on your perspective. Statistics don't help much, since 42.7% of all statistics are made up - including that one. :+

Seriously, with 600 murders last year Chicago got the "murder capitol of the US" title again, and considering that New York and LA have larger populations, it really sucks. LA doesn't actually have a higher population density, but since they include all of LA County in the population figures, LA is considered to be bigger than Chicago, which only counts within the city limits. That's where statistics can mislead, as I recall the actual city of LA has something like 145,000 people.

Further misleading, the 'hood I live in is called "Austin", and with 48 murders last year we were the worst of the worst, beating out South Lawndale, West Garfield Park, and even Englewood, for the dubious title of murder capitol neighborhood of the murder capitol city. What's misleading is that Austin, named after pioneer Henry W. Austin, was originally a seperate town, and annexed into the City of Chicago about 1860 or so. The original boundaries are a rectangle 3 miles north to south, and 1 3/4 miles east to west. Most maps include another neighborhood known to all locals as "Galewood", which is north of Austin and extends about 1 mile by 3 miles, plus includes 3/4 more mile east of the actual eastern boundary which was the Chicago Belt Railway line. Including Galewood would tend to reduce the per capita murder rate since that's a pretty civilized neighborhood, but including the 3 miles by six blocks east from the belt line to Pulaski would increase it, since them guys over there are maniacs. Hmmm, maybe that evens out, I dunno. Anyway, for the statistics for Austin they included all of the 15th Police District, which most city officials consider to be "Austin" in its entirety. obviously that don't make the residents of Galewood very happy, being lumped in with us low class bums. :P :'(:P

Anyhow, one apologist working for either the Tribune or Sun Times (local newspapers), I forget which, pointed out that compared to small cities like Houston or Saint Louis, our crime rate per 1000 people ain't all that bad. Like Ron said, "Sounds like Saginaw East Side.", I assume that's a suburb of Detroit? Some small towns are actually more dangerous to live in, 600 murders for 3 million souls (assuming Chicagoans HAVE souls) is one per 5000, a town with 100,000 people and "only" 50 murders would be one per 2000 inhabitants. So in that case, it's really not a "safer" town even tho 50 murders compared to 600 would make it seem so, and on the flip side 600 vs 50 don't necessarily make us more "dangerous". Obviously more dangerous than New York City, since they have a larger population but a smaller crime rate, but that goes back to what I said before - NYC cleaned up their town by cracking down on the "little" crimes, but the Windy City still hasn't gotten the message - if you tolerate the little crimes, you're eventually gonna get the big ones. Chicago 15th District Police seem to feel they're so busy putting out forest fires they should just ignore all the guys standing around with gasoline and matches, since they're not actually setting forest fires at the moment.

EDIT:

Just saw runaway_b_unit's message, another good example - Washington DC is actually 3 cities in one, the capitol with all the government workers, affluent suburbs surrounding, and an inner city that's more like a small third world nation with a really horrendous crime rate.

[rpicardi1]

In Washington DC, it is illegal for the citizens to posess or own a firearm. The only people in posession of any firearms are the police, military personnel, special Government agents such as the Secret Service, and the criminals

Next door in Richmond, Virginia, it is legal for the citizens to own firearms. In addition, any person caught committing a crime while in posession of a firearm gets manditory five years in prison. No plea bargon, no exceptions.

Guess which city is safer to visit?

SRV Ron

[rpicardi1]

Saginaw, population 100,000, opps, 80,000, latest count 64,000, and falling fast. It is about 30 miles North of Flint, another crime ridden ghetto that ended up under State control due to corruption and runaway budget. Flint about 60 miles North West of Detroit's rotting west side core of burned out apartment buildings still left standing from the riots of the 60s.

At least, Detroit is trying to get it back together. Fans didn't burn down the town as predicted by the media when the Pistons became NBA champions. Still, they have a long way to go.

Bay City, 20 miles North, has kept a lid on the criminal element. Downtown riverfront continues to develop with condos having been built in old warehouses and new housing to replace WW2 era factories. A lot of the older neighborhood has been kept up by residences. Not unusual to see a new house or remodeling taking place. Worse problem that made National News. Polka dancing in the street at Barny's Bar.

Attractions, Pig Gig, River Roar racing, Fireworks festival, Tall Ships Festival, almost something weekly along the river.

Saginaw has been trying to get it together. But, until the voters get rid of the liberal judges and start to demand action, the crime and gang wars will destroy it completly.

Lost attractions, Raft Race, leaches killed that one, Gus Macker Tournment, liberal judges wouldn't lock up the troublemakers, outboard racing, no sponsors or city support, Saginaw Fair, destroyed by crime ridden neighborhood - it finally moved to Chesaning, 1881 Potter St Railroad Station, falling apart due to lack of support and crumbling neighborhood. Fireworks are still around only because the local support is still there. and the Civic Center now does better since the County took control of the structure.

SRV Ron

[Baldwinbob]

Well...I think I'll stay here in Aurora. I don't remember the last murder but a drunk did knock down our only stop light about 10 years ago, never replaced.

If you've ever seen the movie 'Fargo' you'll get a pretty good idea of what it is like around here. "Yeah, he was kinda funny lookin'."

OK, where's that damn dog?

Bob

[chucksc]

>Just saw runaway_b_unit's message, another good example -
>Washington DC is actually 3 cities in one, the capitol with
>all the government workers, affluent suburbs surrounding,
>and an inner city that's more like a small third world
>nation with a really horrendous crime rate.

Well actually the "bad" part is a wedge bounded by 395, MLK Boulevard and the Beltway (I95/495) known locally as Southeast... Heck when My Main Man Marion was still Mayor for Life or something like it, they even had cops moonlighting as enforcers for the drug posses down there... the other 2/3 are clean, well policed and a good place to visit.... ;-)

FWIW, I live in a shack in one of the Northern Va. "Affluent but taxed to death" 'burbs. LOL!


Chuck Schneider
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[Vulcan Foundry]

I wish I could bring all you guys down here to Tasmania where I live with my family. Housing is cheap, land is plentiful, air is possibly the cleanest in the world, no smog or pollution, very low crime rates, jobs aplenty and some of the best natural scenery anywhere in the world.

ps I forgot to mention the brillant trout fishing as well.

http://www.discovertasmania.com.au/

Come on down guys and relax for a while, you're all welcome. :)

[Wardo 711]

>>Anyway, all the maps I've seen say that's "BROC" on Kenton,
>which is "Belt Railway Of Chicago", I'm pretty sure Indiana
>Harbor Belt is further east, don't remember exactly where.
>Have to hunt up a map, my memory ain't what it used to be.
>Or was it ever any good, even when I was young? I can't
>remember.

It may have been BROC Right-o-way, but that's where I remember seeing those 08's

Maybe you should consider a trip to Tasmania, You might fit in.

[sinclair97]

Yeah, but it ain't the same without the Ghettos man! All that peace and quiet can be disconcerting if you are use to lots of people.

Admit it, you must miss those police sirens wailing all night long.

Mike

[MKT1972]

>In Washington DC, it is illegal for the citizens to posess
>or own a firearm. The only people in posession of any
>firearms are the police, military personnel, special
>Government agents such as the Secret Service, and the
>criminals
>
>Next door in Richmond, Virginia, it is legal for the
>citizens to own firearms. In addition, any person caught
>committing a crime while in posession of a firearm gets
>manditory five years in prison. No plea bargon, no
>exceptions.
>
>Guess which city is safer to visit?
>
>SRV Ron

Eh I think if you check its only illegal to own handguns...

[sinclair97]

Although I have had Pekingese all my life, and I don't know all the facts, it doesn't seem fair that you were parted from two dogs who obviously loved you, and you them.

If they were not a public nuisance i.e. they were in an area where they could not access the public, OR neigbours then it was cruel to have them put down.

Mike :(

[ATSF107]

LOL MKT1972 those dogs look like they think they are six weeks old! It's a shame that they had to be put down. I mean, people stereotype dogs, and that bugs me. When someone comes to my door, and I answer it, my big German Shepherd/Husky will start barking like crazy at whoever is there. They think that she'll attack them and they'll never life life with all limbs again, but all she is saying is "This is my house. I will not attack you if you don't attack me or my family." And that has only happened once in the eleven years we have had her. She thinks she was just born, and she is always very gentle with everything. I wish that breed bans were illegal, so if one idiot wasn't training his dog properly or something, only that dog and the owner would pay.

*steps off soap box*

[MKT1972]

my yard was fenced in and the other dog got in...my dogs never left the yard unless on a leash and accompanied by me or my wife...I regret to say the Pekingnese did not survive the encounter...hence my dog was vicious...seriously what chance does a Pekingnese stand against a 100+ lb bulldog...another factor was probably the Pekingnese was another male dog...when I found the bloody shoe I called the Police and the hospital...there was no reports of anyone being bitten by a dog...I was working nights when that happened...my wife only once heard our female briefly bark and then heard the fence rattle...I will note that my male bulldog was generally allowed free run of the backyard and didn't bark or even growl much...the police took the shoe as evidence...and didnt say one word about my dogs being "pits" or vicious then in fact one officer admired them...funny how things changed so quickly

[Baldwinbob]

>>>I regret to say the Pekingese did not survive the encounter...hence my dog was vicious...seriously what chance does a Pekingese stand against a 100+ lb bulldog...<<<

THAT IS MY POINT!! Would a German Shepard or Lab fight till the little one was dead, or would it stop after submission by the little one? I'm sure the Pekingese put up a gallant fight before it was killed, you must be soooooo proud.

Some dogs just don't belong in a residential neighborhood.

Have a nice frickin' day,

Bob

[MKT1972]

You obviously know diddly about dogs...any male dog will kill another male dog...especially when a female is present...I had a German Shepherd once that would fight another dog at the drop of the hat and drop the hat himself to fight...do not even pretend to tell me how dogs act. If you think I like the fact another dog was killed by my dog you are an inconsiderate goofball who needs to step back and reevaluate his positions on life...FACT: My dog was defending his territory and doing what his animal instincts told him to do. Quit trying to make animals out to have human traits. In case you are curious the vets autopsy on the Pekingnese showed only a crushed ribcage and broken back...in other words one bite was all it took. I paid for that autopsy. I am now exiting this thread and this forum period!

[dti407]

>NO BREED OF DOG IS BORN VICIOUS THE OWNERS MAKE THEM THAT WAY!


I agree with that 100%. Toledo, Ohio has a "one vicious dog" law that only allows one vicious dog to be owned by a person, I believe. People have faced fines and/or charges due to that law.

[Baldwinbob]

>>>any male dog will kill another male dog...especially when a female is present<<<

Well...I was raised in the county and we mostly had German Shepherds, nice dogs. There were a few dog fights but I'll be damned if I can remember a dog getting killed from it.

>>>...FACT: My dog was defending his territory and doing what his animal instincts told him to do.<<<

Yes, but some dogs defend their territory differently, some chase the intruder off and some kill it. Big difference.

>>> I am now exiting this thread and this forum period!<<<

Isn't that a little extreme? After all, we're just talking about dogs.

Have a nice day,

Bob and O'Riles

[pwillard]

I have a Male Pekingese.

He would very quickly pick a fight defending his PEE TREE from a Great Dane even though it would get him killed. It's what male dogs do... and not ALL breeds behave the same.

The Pekingese, for example, will NEVER run from a fight and will act as if they are as tough as the Great Dane. Unless I control this, my dog becomes a one bite snack. It's not the Great Danes fault. If my dog were to die this way... It would suck... but basically he would have messed with the otrher male dog into provocation.... basically, "he asked for it".

Don't even think I don't love my dog... But telling the neighbor that they can't have a Great Dane?

Get Real.

Pete Willard
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[MKT1972]

>
>Isn't that a little extreme? After all, we're just talking
>about dogs.
>
>Have a nice day,
>
>Bob and O'Riles
Yeah just dogs...but the dogs in question happened to be mine you nutsack...and they were like children to me...their only crime was devotion to me, my wife and my kids....you want to ban breeds of dogs just because your neighbor is a dolt and can't keep his dog in his OWN yard...what in hell did the breed do to you...I hate a stray dog just as much as anyone and I go to great lengths to keep my dogs where they belong...do yourself a favor and put the crackpipe down before you say something really stupid.

[Baldwinbob]

Nutsack, don't think I've ever been called that before.

You are correct, my little O'Riley is my best buddy. People that don't have pets just don't understand.

Off we go,

Bob and O'Riles

[MKT1972]

Jim two quick tests to gauge the stability of your dog..I have done this with every dog I have ever owned...
1) Pain tolerance...this is very important with children around they sometimes unintentionally hurt the dog and the dog retaliates...pinch the dog firmly between the toes on a forepaw if it tries to bite it has very low pain tolerance and will have to be watched very closely, if it pulls away or better yet just looks at ya the tolerance is very good.
2)Loud noises...think popping a sack when the dog isn't aware you are there...any aggressive behavior after the loud noise should be noted.

It is most strange that you gave a what if using Collies regarding what happened to me...Collies and Cockers lead the pack so to say when it comes to reported biting incidents...

[pwillard]

No kidding... When I was just a tyke... I used to get terrorized by a collie that didn't like me riding my bike. He literally used to bite at my feet and legs... Kicking it away only provoked it more.


It was always running loose... eventually, neighborhood cats started to go missing... A neighbor found it around this time shaking a kitten in it's mouth. It wasn't around much after that... ;-|


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[sniper297]

HA! Well, this is timely after last night! Around here we got some gangbangers breeding and training dogs for the fighting pit, and on the rare occasions they get caught another bunch comes along within a few months. Usually they just shoot the ones that prove unsuitable for the pit, but frequently they just turn them loose. The Gangster Disciples and 4/C Hustlers don't particularly like me since I'm one of them community activist types constantly trying to get the 15th District police to actually enforce the law around here (which they're mystifyingly reluctant to do), so they harrass me sometimes by throwing dogs over the fence into my yard. (Gotta go over the fence, I got padlocks on both gates, since that's life in the ghetto.) About two weeks ago I found a 6 month old Pit Bull puppy that wasn't as badly torn up as most of the dogs dumped in my yard, so instead of calling Animal Control I took her to the vet and had her checked out. Normally I wouldn't have a pit bull, but this one was friendly and my other dogs and my son wanted to keep her, so I got her all the shots and rabies tags. She IS on probation, but at the moment doesn't seem to have a mean bone in her body. Royal pain like most puppies tho, last night she managed to find and enlarge a hole under the fence, and got into my nextdoor neighbor's flowers, and of course the Border Collie pup widened the hole more and followed her to help with the destruction. x(
Worst trouble with taking in strays is they're messy, it's almost like living with a bunch of large rats.

[sinclair97]

Jim,

Which is the worst city in the USA for unrest, crime, terror, etc?
Is it Miami? Is it los Angeles? is it New York? Or is it Chicago?

Mike :-)

[rpicardi1]

This was printed in tonight's paper. They have also been doing a series on abandoned housing.

Lots of nice size houses available for under $20,000. The same type house in Caro has sold for $120,000.

The $120,000 homes are selling like hotcakes. The $20,000 ones have no takers even though they are in about the same condition as the more expensive one.

Anyone with money has left Saginaw long ago.

SRV Ron

[Wardo 711]

which was the Chicago Belt
>Railway line.

I think that's the Indiana Harbor Belt Railway. They used to use my favorite steamer, an 0 8 0 with the big elesco (sp?)feedwater heater on top.

BTW do you need me to come over with a broom?

[sniper297]

I think a bulldozer would work better. Remember "'mokey ate my Happy Birthday"? This new mutt is like that, chews up everything she can reach and scatters it all over the place.

(Smokey was a Newfoundland/Retreiver mix, looked like a big shaggy black bear when he grew up, but even as a pup he was very big. He ate the wheels off the snowblower we bought for our Dad's birthday before he even got a chance to use it, and Dad would clown around pretending to be a little whining kid, "'mokey ate my Happy Birthday!")

Anyway, all the maps I've seen say that's "BROC" on Kenton, which is "Belt Railway Of Chicago", I'm pretty sure Indiana Harbor Belt is further east, don't remember exactly where. Have to hunt up a map, my memory ain't what it used to be. Or was it ever any good, even when I was young? I can't remember.

[MKT1972]

Let me say that I am violently opposed to the banning of any dog breeds...punish the deed not the breed...I used to have two of the nicest American Bulldogs you could imagine...unless you was another dog invading my backyard or even worse a stranger...I once found a bloody tennis shoe in my backyard...size 10 US...but because some idiot didnt keep their Pekingnese in their OWN yard I got in all kinds of trouble...never mind the fact that those dogs protected any and all children they knew...and ultimately lost my dogs...my lawyer got me cleared of all charges...but I still lost my dogs because of a ban on "Pit Bulls"...NO BREED OF DOG IS BORN VICIOUS THE OWNERS MAKE THEM THAT WAY! here are some pics of my "killer vicious pit bulls"

[rpicardi1]

Saw this one day after I stepped out of the van. (Very carefully get back in the van.)

SRV Ron

[sniper297]

Question is who gets to define "vicious". Agreed, some breeds have a propensity for viciousness, others are usually more gentle. Golden Retrievers are a favorite for parents of little kids, with good reason - but even a Golden Retriever will turn mean if provoked far enough. In MKT1972's case, for example, if his dogs had been Collies they still would have found some excuse to declare them "vicious" in that situation. Stupid, I agree, the real fault lies with the owner of the Pekingese for letting him run around loose.

I confess to a prejudice against Pit Bulls too, and if Pitsie hadn't been so sweet and friendly I would have called animal control as soon as I found her instead of adopting her. And I'm training her right, she loves to jump up on people, which is cute now but won't be so cute when she's full grown, so I stop her whenever she does it. Again, she's on probation since I don't trust the breed, she ever shows signs of viciousness out she goes. She may change my mind about Pit Bulls, who knows. We once had a Newfoundland-Golden Retriever mix who grew up to a 120 pound big black shaggy bear, and just his appearance scared the hell out of everyone who met him for the first time. But he didn't have a mean bone in his body, and quickly won the affection of even people who are afraid of any dog.

My experience has been that most little dogs tend to be more vicious and will bite more often than big dogs, probably because big dogs aren't scared as easily. Big dogs actually tend to be a lot more patient with children.

[sinclair97]

Professional Pussycat Basher

I have taken my Peke out for walks and we have met Rotweillers, and Dobermans with sniff here, and a sniff there, but no problems.

Mike :)