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OTTODAD
07-26-2006, 01:59 PM
A question in another forum made me look at their World Editor announcement again and reading it in detail this time, I noticed this:

Our main aim is to make it easy and fun to use whilst retaining enough detailed editing to allow for the creation of rail infrastructures and world environments. We plan to achieve this aim by removing the more complex set up data into a separate tool - The Depot - thus leaving the World Editor as a purpose built efficient tool where the workflow is easy to understand and use.

The World Editor is an "in-game" editor, it can be accessed whilst free roam driving around the routes. The idea behind this is to make world editing an integral part of the simulation expanding the overall user experience of Rail Simulator in a way other simulation products don't. Designing the World Editor in this way has allowed us to ensure that it contains only the required set of tools for the creation of rail infrastructures and world environments ensuring it's a focused and polished tool with stability as one of its main features.

http://www.railsimulator.com/en/world_editor.htm

Now that is brilliant, I think TRS also can do and will save me a lot of hassle when checking routes during development and before release, saving me having to make notes of blemishes and other things which need fixing ! ;-)

It will also be handy driving in a released route and when spotting something I do not like switch to the World Editor and change it !

This is getting to look better all the time ! :7

Looking forward to LEIPZIG GAMES show reports !

O t t o

Hack
07-27-2006, 08:05 AM
>also can do and will save me a lot of hassle when checking routes during development and
>before release, saving me having to make notes of blemishes and other things which need fixing ! ;-)

I didn't know you created routes, Otto. ;)

FWIW, it is technically possible to edit the route, create activities, and drive in the same session within MSTS. Problem is, you need to be in window mode, you can't edit/create/drive on the fly, and you need to restart MSTS for newly created activies to show up in the sim.

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rgarber
07-27-2006, 08:54 AM
Yeah... Otto building routes... now that be something to see. Talk about someone being his own worst critic! Publicly I might add. Or it winds up being the best thing since sliced bread, at least according one. :-)

Marc, that's fascinating. You ever try this idea? I think I'll give that a whirl as I'm real close to proofing a route.


Rich

OTTODAD
07-27-2006, 09:46 AM
Hi Marc !

I didn't know you created routes, Otto. ;)

Yes, I created quite a few for my own amusement and helped others test their routes, re-creating their messed up ones and severely hacking many others to my requirements.

MARIAS-KOOTENAI - 9 months BETA testing, adding nodes, WYEs, changing vegetation and preparing for upload to TS.com
SHORTY ROUTE - Adding separate AI tracks and more vegetation.
BRICE - A loops and circle tutorial route for a member
NORTH KOREAN - Recreated for member after he lost all it's DYN tracks.
EVIC - South Australian route re-demed for friend after he lost all it's DEM Terrain and Distant Mountains, re-aligning all it's 400 miles tracks.
PON-10 - Adding Distant Mountains to the PON-9 part for Jim.
Severn Valley - fixing frozen switches, replacing others, adding reverse loops, BATS allowed me to distribute.
WUPPER EXPRESS 8/9 - Changing overhead and it's masts and gantries from 6 metres to 6.2 metres to allow the more common 6.2 locos to run on them, as well a adding reverse loops to most main line dead ends, getting permission to let others have, Ralf Kölsche then also did with the WUPPER EXPRESS 10.
WUPPER EXPRESS 10 - Again adding reverse loops to main line dead ends, letting Player trains in activities use them.
N.&.J.C. - Adding new routes, linking pats of it and many reverse loops to allow non stop running throughout it's entire layout.
Various Tracks test routes - BETA testing Y-Tracks for Roman, new additions and alterations to others from Steven Masters, Mark Hyams, Norbert Rieger, Max Merlin, etc.
WHITEFISH7_RR - testing preview and helping OldieDaddie test-re-mipping his improved track textures for it and the LEOBEN.
MSTSBin - testing and feedback for George.
Scenery Improvements - The list of routes I have hacked to improve their scenery to my liking is too many to list here, mentioning some in the forum, like the Cascades and the SURFLINER, may it rest in peace ! ;-)

I have also been the instigator and driving force behind some improvements to Xtracks, the Route Riter, Conbuilder and others, welcomed by their creators and others like Jeff Bush and Paul Gausden but a few resenting that I dare suggest that their work could be improved upon !

FWIW, it is technically possible to edit the route, create activities, and drive in the same session within MSTS. Problem is, you need to be in window mode, you can't edit/create/drive on the fly, and you need to restart MSTS for newly created activities to show up in the sim.

We talked about this before after you released the 3D-TRAINS GUI, me pointing out that as only one incident of the Train.exe can run at any given time, more than one window of it can not be opened.

There are some in your forum, especially those banned from this forum for their attitude, who think that what I do and suggest in this forum is something they can laugh about ?

They should read all my posts in the forums and perhaps learn something they did not know about. ;-)

I could choke this forum with grateful replies received from those I helped in the forums and via E-mail, not just with improving their MSTS but also their computer set-ups ! :7

Sorry I had to bring this up but it needed saying !

O t t o

P.S.: All being well an me still alive when KRS has been released I might create a route of the SWISS railways, including Scenic ones, paying friends to help me with. But Freeware it will most certainly be not ! ;-)

http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/maps_switzerland.php

rgarber
07-27-2006, 10:14 AM
Otto,

I think Marc meant routes that you started from scratch and released yourself. Most if not all the routes you got listed are done by others. I think Marc meant something you did from scratch.


"re-creating their messed up ones and severely hacking many others to my requirements."

Ouch! You might have stepped on a toe or two there. Strong language.


Rich

OTTODAD
07-27-2006, 10:21 AM
Sorry, Rich, you too are reading sentences wrong !

"Messed up" routes refers to routes I have been asked to fix, you can read about under KOREA and EVIC.

Nobody minds their "Messed up" routes being fixed by those who do not mind doing a lot of work for them.

As for "Creating" routes, that is a damn sight easier then altering an existing one, I and other can tell you a few stories about, Jim Ward merging his PON-9 with the MARIAS-PASS into the PON-10 being one of ! ;-)

O t t o

rgarber
07-27-2006, 10:23 AM
"As for "Creating" routes, that is a damn sight easier then altering an existing one,"

You're certifiably nuts if you really think that Otto.

Rich

OTTODAD
07-27-2006, 10:26 AM
Don't start getting personal again, Rich, causing another good thread being locked. Mods have been alerted !

Will all other readers of this tread please not respond to similar !

Thanks, O t t o.

sstyrnol
07-27-2006, 10:30 AM
O t t o,

when you show us ONE single route you made yourself from scratch with custom terrtexes, custom objects etc., then people will probably show you more respect.

Taking existing objects and move them around a bit or even tweak some files is something that I cannot regard as building a route.

That is by no means the desire to attack you, but before ripping apart other peoples work, do it better yourself!

rgarber
07-27-2006, 10:34 AM
Otto,

With these ridiculous remarks you're making Otto, this thread should be locked.

Rich G

OTTODAD
07-27-2006, 10:41 AM
Good idea, Rich !

It seems to attract the usual few who like to take apart everything I say and give it a slant not intended by me !

O t t o

sstyrnol
07-27-2006, 10:53 AM
No, Otto, it is you. It is you always claiming to know everything and most of all to know everything better than anyone.

It is you who more than often claimed to know something leading people who asked into the wrong direction. And it was also you who would not admit that you were dead-wrong.

I think it can be admitted that your contributions are appreciated, but I think that "few" you are referring to here maybe a bit annoyed by your constant "know-it-all" attitude. Don't get me wrong, but I think at your age one should be a bit wiser than that.

And also you are not making it easier for us "few" to accept it now that you are raising yourself to be inofficial spokesman for KUJU. If I may suggest, just step back a bit and things will calm down.

Always remember the good old Chinese proverb: "The highest tree gets cut down first!" :)