want new horns?

[CRQ5508]

just wondring, before i start the project, is there a demand for specialty horns? i'm planning on trying to put together a collection of high quality horn recordings including.....

Nathan: M3, M5. P3, P5, P5LAC. K3LA, K3H, K5LA, K5H, K5HL, K5LLA

Leslie: RS-3LR, RS-3J, RS5T, S2M, A-200-156 (single note for early GPs, and F&E units)S3BJ (early PRR u-boats)

Prime: 920, 990

Wabco: E2-B1

i don't want put my time in to this if no one wants it. i kinda want about 10(+) requests before i start it. I have permission from websites to use their recordings to do this. if you want sampels these are the websites i'm gonna get my samples from

http://www.dieselairhorns.com/collection.html

http://www.trainweb.org/mdamtrak199/horns.html

http://trainhorns.net/index.html

http://atsf.railfan.net/airhorns/ (five chime horn consultants)

if you want a list of what recordings i'm using from which websites, just e-mail me. CRQ5508@aol.com (that's with a zero)

[MariasRailfan]

An excellent idea, good luck!

[CSX4878]

I wish to have them. :)

[FURX]

You've got my vote.-Jeffrey

[Daniel G]

Sounds like an awesome idea!

[Guilford343]

Awesome! I want an RS5T for Guilford! Is that what they use? :)

[CRQ5508]

To help speed up the time on some of the horns, do you want me to post them on Train-sim as individual horns, or as one big package, or both? I still six more requests for the horns. if i do it as seperate up loads the first horns to be completed will be

Nathan: K5LA, K5H, M3

Leslie: RS-3J, RS-3L

I hope to get them done by the end of August. sorry about the delay, I have about 5 other projects going on, and a personal life other than trains. (i know i'm not the only one) so what do you all want me to do? seperate files, all together, both?

[CRQ5508]

i also forgot to answer an above question, Guilford did use the S-5T-RR on their ex-NW GP40's but i wasn't going to do one of these horns. The RS-5T would be a close match but just a bit deeper sounding. A P5 would also work. other horns that Guilford use/used are a S-3L (again slightly higher sound than the RS-3L) and i think they had some M3's on their old SD40s. I haven't a clue what's on a SD26 though, although it's either an S-3L or a P3 horn. hope this all helps.

[FURX]

I would gladly give you recordings of this, but I still need to order some new gaskets and the last power chamber still needs to be reconfigured.
:)




http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/up1/108439.jpg

BTW, talk to Nick O'Dell and Mike Mullins. Nick has a newer Nathan K5LA and Mike has an S-25, RS-3L, and a Prime 990...they've got some recordings of their stuff you might like to take a look at for use in the pack.-Jeffrey

[CRQ5508]

really it's ok. thank you anyway, but i have found excelent recordings of the above mentioned horns. I wasn't planning on doing an S-25 but if you would like me to, I'll give it a shot. I'm doing the "higher demand" horns first, the one's that are most common (ie: RS-3L, K5LA, K3H, RS-5T, and P5.) if you would like a list of the horn websites i posted them in the first post of this thread. Any way the above horn is a P5 or an RS-5T (they look alot alike). which ever it might be, i was going to do both of them.

[TAMR159]

How about one of the SD70ACe horns CSX uses? Good luck finding one that isn't clogged though (you'll know it if they're not clogged...it'll scare the crap out of you with its volume).

- - Nick Wilson

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Change your bookmarks! New ESLW site is located at http://www.eslw.org!

[CRQ5508]

the horn CSX use is a its SD70ACe's are K5LLA's. All new locomotives purchased from EMD and GE use either a K5LLA or K5HL (new locomotives in the US that is, outside of the US, they can use what they want, or what their gov'ts require). They need to use these horns in the US to meet new laws about minimal and maximum Decibal ratings. Anyway both the K5LLA and the K5HL are planned.

is this what you are talking about?

http://atsf.railfan.net/airhorns/k5lla.html

(go to the second sampeling) it sounds cool. it sounds like the guys recording were pacing the train while recording.......

[FURX]

Whoa dude, a P Series and a Leslie S-5T are nothing alike. The bell arrangement pattern is 100% different, the bell sizes, the power chamber construction... nothing, and I mean nothing is alike between those horns. The horn in my picture is not an RS-5T either, it's an S-5T with bronze tab-back power chambers, the first power chambers Leslie used for it's Supertyfon series. I own the S-5T in the picture, and I used to have a P5. Totally different externally.


If you could do a CSX ACE K5LLAR13L or K5LL(L)A would be cool.

-Jeffrey

[ATF1224]

I'd be interested in a Nathan P7x as on the first website.

[CSX4878]

I got a few horns that work with Guilford from the MASW package. Though these will also work too. :)

SD26 I belive uses a P5 Horn.
SD45 I also belive uses a K3 or K5
GP40-2W's use K5LA's
GP40's use anything that NS/NW/CR used
GP9's Not to sure about.

[CRQ5508]

Guilford must have put new horns on the GP40-2Ws recently. When they got them second-hand from CN, they still had their original K3H horns. just pointing this out.

also, i wasn't planning on doing a P7x, since there wasn't a prototype railroad tht used them. but if time permits i'll try to put something together. I won't be able to start anything this month. my hard drive went. Currently up at the crimelab (my father works for NH State Police) where i hope some info can be recovered. I lost a hole lot of stuff that i didn't make CD back ups to. So I recomend EVERYONE, MAKE CD BACK UPS OF YOUR WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's the best piece of advice i can give anyone. but when i get my info back, i'll start it ASAP.

[CRQ5508]

Hey, FURX
so it is a S-5T. sorry about the confusion. I had about 5 seconds to look at the horn, I just got the message posted when my hard drive was lost. I'll try to do a standard S-5T.

[CRQ5508]

ok everyone. I see that many people want these new horns, which I am happy about. BUT I have to put a limit on what horns I'm going to do. I have limited resources, and am only going to do the horns I Originally intended to do, which are on the top post of this thread. Unless you can get me a good recording for individual horns you want me to do , I'm not going to do them. Sorry everyone. but i have alot of other stuff going on. If you can get me a recording of specific horns you would like me to do, send them to me to the below address If I have the time, I'll attempt them, but no promises. If you need any more info on what horns I am doing, or what websites I'm using you can contact me at the below address.

CRQ5508@aol.com

(and so you don't have to call me CRQ5508, my name is Tom) hope to here from someone soon.

LONG LIVE CONRAIL C32-8s!!!!!

[FURX]

Jake, Elwood's P7X is really something in real life! :) -Jeffrey

[CRQ5508]

<<<<<<<<<<REPOST>>>>>>>>>>

ok everyone. I see that many people want these new horns, which I am happy about. BUT I have to put a limit on what horns I'm going to do. I have limited resources, and am only going to do the horns I Originally intended to do, which are on the top post of this thread. Unless you can get me a good recording for individual horns you want me to do , I'm not going to do them. Sorry everyone. but i have alot of other stuff going on. If you can get me a recording of specific horns you would like me to do, send them to me to the below address If I have the time, I'll attempt them, but no promises. If you need any more info on what horns I am doing, or what websites I'm using you can contact me at the below address.

CRQ5508@aol.com

(and so you don't have to call me CRQ5508, my name is Tom) hope to here from someone soon.

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Also, FURX
while Jake may have one of these "P7x"s, Nathan/Airchime, Leslie or any other horn manufacturer didn't produced them. It was a home built horn starting wiht a modified P5.
<<<Nathan P-7x, A standard first generation Nathan P-5 which plays the chord C#, E, G, A, C#. This has been modified by adding a 0 Bell, available from Nathan, which plays low A.>>> this info is from http://www.dieselairhorns.com/collection.html

so again, since it wasn't on my original list, I'm not going to attempt it now. If I have time in the future I may attempt it. sorry.

BUT TO EVERYONE WITH QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, REQUESTS ETC. EMAIL ME AT CRQ5508@aol.com please do this instead of putting up a bulletin on the forums. it helps save space on the forums for other things. IF YOU DO E-MAIL ME PUT IN THE SUBJECT BOX...... In regards to horns, Re: want horns etc. etc. just put in something so that i know it has to do with the horns. thankyou

[CRQ5508]

I forgot to add something to the list of horns I was going to do. I'm going to also do a Hancock airwhistle, fond on NYNH&H (New Haven) FL9s, and on various indistruial switchers. for a sample of the whistle click on the link below.

http://www.dieselairhorns.com/collection.html

there's a couple of other horns I wiil do. a S-3L (different from a RS-3L), an S-5T, and (if I can find a better recording) I will attempt a P7x. If someone can help me find a better recording of a P7x, it would be helpful. I won't be able to start this project soon, my hard drive's still up at the Crimelab.

[ATF1224]

>Jake, Elwood's P7X is really something in real life! :)
>-Jeffrey

Sounds like it! I just wanted something different to use on my WI&I and MHC units.

[Bard]

Id love to have them.

[FURX]

>Also, FURX
>while Jake may have one of these "P7x"s, Nathan/Airchime,
>Leslie or any other horn manufacturer didn't produced them. It
>was a home built horn starting wiht a modified P5.
><<<Nathan P-7x, A standard first generation Nathan P-5 which
>plays the chord C#, E, G, A, C#. This has been modified by
>adding a 0 Bell, available from Nathan, which plays low A.>>>
>this info is from

Chill dude, I know all this. It's Elwood Belknaps creation. I know all those horn guys, I know Nathan never made the thing, you come across like I didn't know any of this.


If you like, I can record my Wabtec single chime B7 horn used on some early switchers for use in your horn pack.

I don't have a compressor strong enough to blow the hole thing, but I can blow each bell of my S-5T seperately, and maybe you could combine them in a sound editor to "assemble" an S-5T? If that was possible, you could also "make" an S-3L.

This means if you want a tab-back S-25 or and bells within the S-5T (25, 31, 37, 44, 55) I can make some up.

And don't worry about putting stuff in the forum, it's a social like atmosphere, so the more the merrier with the posts.-Jeffrey

GP30RDMT@Comcast.net if you want some recordings.

[CSX4878]

Would it be possible to have the sweet sounding horns from the Maine Eastern FL9's :D

K3H now? thats weird, I look at the roofs where the horns are, and most look to be a K5LA to me.

[CRQ5508]

yeah these are K5LAs. they used to be Hancock airwhistles when they were still under the New Have flag, but once Amtrak got them, they switched the airwhistles with Nathan/Airchime K5LAs. and yes, both the K3H and the K5LA are planned. I also am going to attempt a Hancock Airwhistle. hope this helps.

[FURX]

Oh, in addition to the B7, S-25 and so on recordings, I might be working on the railroad this weekend, and I can get you some recordings of a Hancock 4700 without the dish.

I can get in cab and external recordings if you wish.

-Jeffrey

[CRQ5508]

thatwould be awsome!!!!!!! horns always sound different from the outside than they do inside. I'm just wondering though, is their a difference in sound between a Hancock 4700 with the hood, than without? I've only heard them with the hoods. thanks

[FURX]

I've only noticed a difference when your behind the whistle, just because the dish directs the sound away from you.

It's really no big difference in the "sound", it's just alittle softer.

Hancock 4700s seem like quiet whistles, but when you're standing under it, it's pretty noisey.

I wont be able to get the Hancock recordings until Sunday, and the turn around for me uploading them puts them at sometime Monday the 31st.

I'll start recording my stuff in the next few days too.



-Jeffrey

[FURX]

Okay, I made all the recordings but I cannot get them onto my computer for some reason... I record them with my sound editor but it wont play anything back.

Tom, go ahead and do what your orignal plans were with the horn pack, and if I get this working again, I'll send you the B7, S-5T bells independently, and the Hancock H4700.-Jeffrey

[Miketherailfan]

Go for it, I'd love to see (or hear) another RS3L!