Obama wants us to be obligated to speak spanish??? O HECK NO!!

[Drewster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYtB6xOYovw

Video, explains it all! I didnt like Obama in the 1st place, but this just tops it all, this guy is sad, and hes running for president of America?? Wanting us to learn Spanish and bend over MORE for the mexicans in our country, NO!! This is america, we speak english, and our government plays favorites to the mexicans, How about the other minorities in this country? Sure its great to be Bi-lingual, but it should NOT be a neccessity if you do not plan to go out of the country. I guess Obama doesnt care about them as long as the mexicans are set. Ya Screw that!!! I have nothing against mexicans, one of my good friends is from mexico. But us having to learn it for them, I dont think so!!!! whats next, taking "God" out of the pledge of Alligence or our money?

Please DO comment on this. I'd love to see how you feel about this!

[Hawk]

You can read a couple of comments about this at this link. http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?t=272503

[rpicardi1]

Shortly after, Jessie Jackson steps into it big time revealing his true feelings on a hot mike prior to a scheduled interview on Fox News.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-jackson11-2008jul11,0,1647731.story
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102008/news/nationalnews/jesses_a_nut_job_119244.htm
http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/jackson.obama.comments.2.767252.html

He has been apologizing profusely since on Fox News of all places.

[muskokaandtahoe]

> whats next, taking "God" out of the pledge of Alligence or our money?

I certainly hope so as that concept has no business being there.

As for the language issue... the only valid point from that is that on the whole it is good to have some experience learning some other language... any language. I agree with you tho that Obama's point can be seen as a societal surrender of sorts and to whatever degree that's the case is just another example of why this noob should not be elected President.

I've written on numerous occasions here my opinion that many Democrats in leadership positions hold the opinion that America is deeply flawed, morally flawed, and must be substantially constrained on the world stage (i.e., to isolate/protect the rest of the world from anything we might "act out" on). This thinking can, IMO, be seen in other topics, such as their advocacy of multiculturalism: whenever it goes beyond basic respect of others to, say, division by groups into the morally superior (anything besides European ancestry) and inferior (only European ancestry), it weakens the nation. One big concern I have about Obama is that he'll fill his administration with people who think like that.

[NorthShore_364]

I started taking Spanish classes last year (nothing to do with Obama's birdbrained idea, just for educational purposes), and it has quite a sharp learning curve just like anything else of that nature. That doesn't mean I don't want to do it (I personally like the challenge), although I can tell you from first hand experience that learning any language is difficult. However, if you are going to take advantage of what this country has to offer, then you should be able to learn our language.

I also love how all of the liberals are saying "Oh, he just wants us to learn other different languages" even though he made it clear that he wants us all to speak Spanish. I have nothing against Hispanics, but this idea is just pathetic.

[rpicardi1]

According to Obama's speech on this issue, you will need to speak in the language of the country you want to visit before you can get your passport to go there.

BTW, Obama only knows English, something that many of the kids in his Chicago district have trouble reading and writing in upon graduation from high school assuming if they didn't drop out first.

[CGW409]

I've got nothing against learning another language and if I had the time I'd put some effort into learning Japanese but learn Spanish in order to make life easier for the crimigrant invason force?
hell no, in fact, NO F***ING WAY IN HELL!!

[rpicardi1]

It gets even worse then that;

Obama had first outlined many of the proposals he talked about Wednesday during appearances in Iowa last December.
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

http://bulletin.aarp.org/states/il/articles/obama_outlines_plan_for_national_service.html

You know what really bothers me about the Obamanation? If a white candidate had said any of this - the msm would be making the same points you are Drew - is he/she nuts, is he/she advocating the enforced labor of children? Hitler Youth, Young Pioneers - yeah right?

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/another_obamafuscation/

The first link, which refuses to link, is right from one of the finest liberal sources of information out there. AARP, you know, the organization that wants you to join them at age 50 and the same organization that loses its senior members once they learn just how liberal the organization is. You can link directly to the AARP article from the Barking Moonbat link.

[mjs2101]

Personally, I think it would be a good idea to teach a second language in schools up to a certain grade. Face it, the ability of learning language goes a lot easier the earlier you start learning, especially when it comes to pronunciation. As to what language, that should be up to the parents and not any political stand points. Once a child gets to high school, then they can choose whether or not to continue with learning different languages.

As for Obama using this issue trying to win votes in an election, seems typical of democrats. Take something decent and going totally overboard with it.

Mykel

[Drewster]

learning a different language is great, i know japanese, but i've also been to japan, but the fact that in his speech, he said, and i quote "we need stop worrying about immigrants learning english, you need to MAKE SURE your child can speak spanish" Thats what got me. He didn't say "we need our children become bilingual" Nope, he said, Learn Spanish. Then mentioned other countries. And also he quoted "Don't worry about them learning english, they will learn english" 75% still haven't and at this rate never will. So if he is going to make a speech about immigration, he may want to use the right words, and stop talking out of his arse. I'm sure he will make a announcement that his speech was taken out of context again. This is just my opinion, and sorry no, i haven't jumped to conclusions, i am basing all this on what he said and that can be quoted. No matter what his stuttering words were meant to mean.

[Drewster]

"If a white candidate had said any of this - the msm would be making the same points you are Drew"

Actually, i would be equally just as angry and as disturbed if McCain or anyone else said what he said. I am not racist or prejudice at all!!! So please dont accuse me of that if thats what you mean, No offense intended

[3DMD]

You think that is bad wait until you guys have bilingual product packaging and instructions! That's one of my pet peeves of living in Canada no matter what instructions I get from packaging It never fails that I always seem to end up reading the french instructions first.

I am from Northwestern Ontario and had to take french class as part of the curiculum up until I believe grade 10 when you as a student are finally given a choice to continue taking french or dropping it and selecting a different class. I selected a different class because I had no interest in taking French because I wasn't interested in learning the language (my way of rebeling against a liberal ideal forced upon thee) and I told my french teacher I didn't have any interest in ever traveling to Southern Ontario or Quebec or any french speaking country so why should I learn the language, looking back I think it was pretty ignorant thing to say c'est la vie :D but my French teacher was nice enough to give me a 50 to get me out of his hair :D

To this day 8 years after graduating from high school I have no clue whether Francophone students in Quebec have to learn English like us "Anglophones" have to learn French I sure hope they do in all fairness, for equality, bilingualism, multiculturalism and that sorta Junk!

I definitely think learning a second language should be a choice and not forced upon a student! In this day and age when people have a hard enough time reading and writing properly in their first language. I really admire Americans for being more of "melting pot" and not bending over backwards like what happens in Canada to accommodate the newly landed immigrants and their cultures that just got off the boat. Seems totally a$$ backwards at times when new immigrants have more pull and influence on what goes on in the country than people who are born and raised in the country.

I sure hope Obama isn't too serious about making Americans speak Spanish and leave it as a matter of choice and not some crazy social experiment that Liberals love to take it upon themselves to conduct it will only cause a mess look at your neighbor to the north as an example :D

[muskokaandtahoe]

> You think that is bad wait until you guys have bilingual product packaging and instructions!

Umm, we do. French or Spanish, depending on whether it's imported exported to Canada or just sold in California.

[3DMD]

my bad! opening mouth and inserting foot! :rolleyes:

I guess what I meant was do you see English and Spanish on say food and beverage products manufactured in the USA for example a can of Coke or Pepsi. I have a can of Pepsi staring me in the face that says

diet Pepsi diete
MAX
Cola Invigorated
Cola Tonifie

I won't even type out the Nutrition Facts or ingredient side of the can :D

I couldn't imagine from a graphic art design prospective how much extra open space you would have play with if the translation text was removed from the can it would look fairly bare.

[Drewster]

If we are going to start running things in different lanaguage, we need to do what Wells Fargo's new strategy on their ATM's is. Everything in english with a little icon to select other languages, where you can find almost every language that is spoken in america, including Japanese, German, French, Spanish, and even Thai. None of that 1 for english 2 for spanish crap

[Gixxer86g]

Spanish is a really cool language.There's so much emotion.Especially when spoken by women.It's probably the sexiest language there is.However,no one in the US should be forced to learn it unless it's required by your employer.It's too late,though to make English the official language.There's just too much opposition.

[chucksc]

Spanish is a really cool language.There's so much emotion.Especially when spoken by women.It's probably the sexiest language there is.However,no one in the US should be forced to learn it unless it's required by your employer.It's too late,though to make English the official language.There's just too much opposition.
But most of the "opposition" to English as our official language are not Legal Residents/Registered Voters!

So who gives a big rat's tookas about what they want?

Other than Kenny and his friends (including that Irish Kid running for president, O'Bama) who are ashamed to be American.

[Gixxer86g]

Chuck,I agree.I'm just being realistic.Look,I appreciate foreign culture and languages.But I never forget that these things are "foreign".I choose to learn about them.

If I were to take a job in another country,I would do my best to learn the language,and understand the culture,and fit in.My hosts don't need to understand me,it's the other way around.But not in the United Socialist States of America.

[Driverman2008]

I think the USA should be English only. Think about it, there's no Spanish version of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

[rdamurphy]

That comment about Spanish being a "Romantic" language is kind of funny, but what I've always wonder is how anybody can be "romantic" in German. It sounds like an aardvark gargling gravel, not exactly a language you'd want whispered in your ear.

Now French, on the other hand, sounds romantic even when spoken by a lumberjack.

Robert

[Gixxer86g]

I didn't say Spanish was romantic,I said it was sexy.French,on the other hand disgusts me,and makes me kinda want to force the speaker into surrendering.

[Driverman2008]

I don't think Spanish and French are sexy at all. Their darn languages and accents annoy me. I think English is a sexy and romantic language (I'm just one of those people who thinks that way). French and Spanish make me sick to my stomach.

And when it comes to accents, I like the New York accent much more than a Spanish/Mexican accent. I wish I was born and raised in New York City. That way I could talk in a New York accent without people thinkin' I'm crazy (I could still do a good New York accent, I'm very good at doing impressions). But I live about 60-70 miles away from Manhattan (in Southwestern Connecticut), so that's close enough I guess.

[Kenny1234]

All Obama wants to do is be able to communicate with'em.

Lets all remember that Dubya and McCain were the one who attempted to ram through amnesty, a far greater threat to sovereignty than 'communicating'.

But its nice to see the forgetful idgits in a panic.

When I see the "spread" in interpretation and emotions between facts of the story and the replies I read here, I really begin to worry about the intellectual ability of many conservatives. Bunch of 'chicken littles' who act like uneducated fools....

[Kenny1234]

> whats next, taking "God" out of the pledge of Alligence or our money?

I certainly hope so as that concept has no business being there.




Well said.

But we all know that simply 'to believe' in one's own private way isnt good enough. We have to shove our thoughts on others elsewhere, and attempt to put it everywhere in the public square, and shame people and question patriotism when folks say "no thanks".

[Gixxer86g]

>But I live about 60-70 miles away from Manhattan (in Southwestern Connecticut),

Do you live near Danbury?I used to go there on my bike for Super Sunday at Marcus Dairy.

[mjs2101]

"we need stop worrying about immigrants learning english, you need to MAKE SURE your child can speak spanish"


That there is just wrong! I am a firm believer that, if you are going to move to another country, you should take it upon yourself to learn something of the language and culture of the country you are wanting to move to BEFORE you go there. To me it is all about respect. And yes, I studied a little German before going to Germany, two years of Russian before living in Russia for a year and Polish before going to Poland. Granted I am not fluent, but I don't butcher Russian or Polish when trying to speak it these days. :)

Of course, part of the problem with the US is that we to not have an "official" language. And sadly with the dems pandering to the illegal population, it is doubtful that we will ever have a single "official" language. I imagine soon it will be "Press 1 for Spanish; Press 2 for English". :(

Mykel

[Kenny1234]

And sadly with the dems pandering to the illegal population, it is doubtful that we will ever have a single "official" language.


Im guessing you were asleep when Bush and McCain tried to ram amnesty through?

Or do you just close your eyes really hard in an attempt to make it not so?

[Shonner]

A hot chick speaking French can hang around me all day. But a spanish one? I have yet to hear anything romantic sounding come from their mouth. It ruins going to Disneyland and other theme parks because that's all one hears in those places now.

The Japanese never say much. But the Germans, Italians, and Sweds will speak English.

ADDED:
One thing I will say is that the beauty of having a ".com" on the end of your web site URL means people visiting it will need to know English. Other countries wanting to join the 1st-world wish they also had the ".com" instead of .co.uk or some such. It's upward mobility for online companies.

[Old_Codger]

Well said.

But we all know that simply 'to believe' in one's own private way isnt good enough. We have to shove our thoughts on others elsewhere, and attempt to put it everywhere in the public square, and shame people and question patriotism when folks say "no thanks".
Well said Kenny. Now apply that same thought to the great homosexual movement and their attempts at shoving their lifestyle down our throats instead of keeping it private. ;)

[rpicardi1]

Lets all remember that Dubya and McCain were the one who attempted to ram through amnesty, a far greater threat to sovereignty than 'communicating'.

Don't know about McCain but Dubya does speak Spanish quite well.

As far as the amnesty attempt, here is my donation response to the RNC over this issue. (see attachment.)

[Shonner]

Now apply that same thought to the great homosexual movement and their attempts at shoving their lifestyle down our throats instead of keeping it private. ;)

Exactly. A "No thanks." gets an instant "Homophobe!" or "Bigot!" response from them.

[Drewster]

Yea, but thats not what Obama said. That was Drew's sad, wrong interpretation. Drew personifies the EXACT under-educated, domestic, alarmist mindset that Obama is speaking about in that speech. And I guess it hits too close to home for him.

Kenny1234, there is no need to be rude. We all are entitled to our own opinions, that's the great thing about this country. I stated mine and you stated yours, but u don't have to be rude and call me undereducated and all that other crap, I didnt start this post to start flame wars, and im not tryin to start one, so Dont try to start one with me and get urself and I banned, OK!! And i know Japanesse because i have traveled to Japan infact. But if were to travel abroad i would try to learn their language, but if i stay in america, the only language i need to know is english. I dont need to learn spanish or anything else, and i shouldn't HAVE to if i decide to stay in the states. Thats my point, and my OPINION.

[rdamurphy]

I suppose I shouldn't mention this, but it was Reagan who spearheaded amnesty for illegals... And passed it.

At any rate, Obama may have a point, after all he is "bilingual" himself:

http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/attachment.php?attachmentid=4963&stc=1&d=1216024627

Robert

[chucksc]

All Obama wants to do is be able to communicate with'em.

Lets all remember that Dubya and McCain were the one who attempted to ram through amnesty, a far greater threat to sovereignty than 'communicating'.

But its nice to see the forgetful idgits in a panic.

When I see the "spread" in interpretation and emotions between facts of the story and the replies I read here, I really begin to worry about the intellectual ability of many conservatives. Bunch of 'chicken littles' who act like uneducated fools....
Keep it up Kenny - your arrogance and that of your running buddies is the best public relations tool McCain has...
There are a lot more rednecks than UCLA graduates in the electorate.. And you and your friends stated opinions have successfully alienated most of them.

If Obama loses you can look in the mirror for the reason why...

Keep it up! I'm loving it!

:)

P.S. Don't you just love the New Yorker Magazine? That's one of you doing it not some KKK type....
I repeat - You guys are your own worst enemy.
Personally I think the behaviors you are currently behaving are directly responsible for Dubya's win in '04...

P.P.S. If "they" are here in the states, we'll communicate with "them" in English. If we are in Latin America, Dubya can communicate with them in Spanish....
He at least speaks Spanish, Do you Kenny? No, then that makes you less educated then Dubya.... <VBG>

[Kenny1234]

There are a lot more rednecks than UCLA graduates in the electorate..


The product of Republicans winning every election except for two in the last 40 years?

Now thats something to celebrate!

[Kenny1234]

Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But when the title of the thread was "Obama wants us to be obligated to speak spanish", thats not an opinion, thats fear mongering. Its a smear, a deliberate mis-statement of what was said, a tossed grenade intended to disrupt.

Much different from an innocent opinion.

.

[chucksc]

The product of Republicans winning every election except for two in the last 40 years?

Now thats something to celebrate!
You bet it is!

ROFL!

[Kenny1234]

Well said Kenny. Now apply that same thought to the great homosexual movement and their attempts at shoving their lifestyle down our throats instead of keeping it private. ;)

So tell me, Old Codger, how many gay weddings have you been forced to attend, forced to play in the band at, forced to take pictures of, or forced to sign marriage certificates for? How many gays have shown up at your front door attempting to convert you?

My guess is none, meaning its no inconvenience to you in real terms.

Still think its being shoved down your throat (pun intended)? Issues like this wouldn't exist outside the gay world or otherwise be pushed into the faces of non-gays if the non-gays weren't attempting to legislate their morals (an impossibility) onto others in the first place. Its a reaction, not an action.

[Shonner]

It's the kids that suffer. They have to live with the sexual deviants. And if a photographer refuses to shoot their wedding, instant lawsuit.

Anyway, liberals are all for it because they are for anything that further degenerates civilization.

[Kenny1234]

You bet it is!

ROFL!



New Bumper Sticker ===> Vote Republican! Who needs an education anyway?!

[Kenny1234]

It's the kids that suffer. They have to live with the sexual deviants.



Why is their sex more deviant than yours? Says who?

[Shonner]

Vote Democrat! We paid for your college afterall.

[Shonner]

Why is their sex more deviant than yours? Says who?

Says conservatives. You're question was a loaded one by the way.

[Kenny1234]

Says conservatives.


Not exactly hard, unbiased scientific proof, now isnt it. Merely an opinion.

[Shonner]

Tell us then what great civilization is still around that had sexual deviants running things?

[Shonner]

Not exactly hard, unbiased scientific proof, now isnt it. Merely an opinion.

You don't know what it means to be a conservative. Otherwise, you wouldn't be a liberal.

[chucksc]

Why is their sex more deviant than yours? Says who?
The overwhelming majority of people....
If Homosexuality was a "norm" then the race would use it to propagate. Since it deviates from the vast majority then it is deviant by definition - as are liberals....
;)

[Kenny1234]

You don't know what it means to be a conservative. Otherwise, you wouldn't be a liberal.


Im not a fiscal liberal. I just dont buy all the conservative jive talk on social issues.

At the end of the day, its an opinion that you shove in the face of gays. Then you have the nerve to be mad when they shove back.

Social conservatives are just sad people. Loaded with insecurities, close mindedness, fear of those 'not like me', and hatred. Hardly a stance worth protecting or replicating.

.

[Kenny1234]

The overwhelming majority of people....


Where you make the mistake is the assumption of majority rule influence over civil rights. A majority rule doesnt apply. Social conservatives are inappropriately attempting to make that so. Thats where they are wrong.

Remember that at some point in history the color of ones skin was another apsect where social conservatives attempted 'majority rule'

Besides, I believe the vast majority of people do engage in other types of sex that are non-vaginal intercourse related, and social conservatives have their heads in the sand on that point, which is why social conservatives have a chronic hypocracy problem. Does that make the vast majority deviants too? Should they point fingers at others who do things even more differently?

'Social norms' are not fixed and unmovable, you know.

[Paul1953]

Tell us then what great civilization is still around that had sexual deviants running things?

Youve obviously never spent any time in DC, or you'd know the answer to that already.

[Shonner]

Im not a fiscal liberal.

No liberal is.


I just dont buy all the conservative jive talk on social issues.

Conservatives speaking jive... will never happen. Blacks would be offended for one thing.


At the end of the day, its an opinion that you shove in the face of gays.

One can always try. But the ACLU is bought and paid for by the gay mafia.


Then you have the nerve to be mad when they shove back.

Not mad. Just disappointed and concerned with what's left of society when liberals break it more. Everyday they're breaking something of society which makes the lives of the next generation not as good as what I had growing up. Each generation is supposed to have a better life than the previous one, not a worse life. Facist liberals are moving the world in the wrong direction.


Social conservatives are just sad people. Loaded with insecurities, close mindedness, fear of those 'not like me', and hatred. Hardly a stance worth protecting or replicating.

You just described yourself. And I know you are not a conservative.

[Kenny1234]

Youve obviously never spent any time in DC, or you'd know the answer to that already.


I wonder how Chuck is going to like working for the Chinese Government after they call in their IOUs and his job automatically converts to a Chinese Government Job when they take control. Will he lament about the good-ole-days of working for the US government?

Maybe he can host a campfire party on his one day off that the Chinese give him each year so we can sit around admiring our redneck status while verbally bashing liberal college professors, telling Foxworthy jokes, playing the game of 'whose got the longest visible ass crack' and opening beer bottles with our teeth. Life will be so wonderful!

And Shonner thinks liberal sexual pervs are the gravest threat to our way of life. :D

[Shonner]

Remember that at some point in history the color of ones skin was another apsect where social conservatives attempted 'majority rule'.

True. And they succeeded. Conservatives wrote the Civil Rights bills and just needed a president to sign them. Liberals did not want civil rights. Look up Little Rock. Conservatives had to send in the military for a school year so that liberals wouldn't harm the kids with different skin color.

[Shonner]

And Shonner thinks liberal sexual pervs are the gravest threat to our way of life. :D

If you want to add communists and redneck liberals to my list, feel free. They're all in bed with each other. Anyway, the problem is when "sexual pervs" are in charge. San Francisco used to be a great city. Now it is anti-children. Being anti-children is not a way for a civilization to continue and improve. And they want the military gone.

There is no future for that town. It might as well be under Taliban control. I'm sure one day it will be made a green zone like Baghdad.

[Kenny1234]

Not mad. Just disappointed and concerned with what's left of society when liberals break it more. Everyday they're breaking something of society which makes the lives of the next generation not as good as what I had growing up. Each generation is supposed to have a better life than the previous one, not a worse life. Facist liberals are moving the world in the wrong direction.




You mean like when a conservative president in lock step with a conservative congress double our debt and bring us to the brink of national bankruptcy? That kind of "ruin it for the next generation" reality?

You mean like when a conservative president in lock step with a conservative congress offshores the most jobs in any time in history? That kind of "ruin it for the next generation" reality?

You mean like when a conservative president in lock step with a conservative congress creates the biggest spike in oil prices, causing the biggest increase in the transfer of wealth from this country to the middle east? That kind of "ruin it for the next generation" reality?

With conservatives like this, who needs liberals anyway?

[Old_Codger]

So Kenny, is it safe to assume that you think it's a great idea to make it illegal for anyone to say anything negative about homosexuals?

[Shonner]

You mean like when a conservative president in lock step with a conservative congress double our debt and bring us to the brink of national bankruptcy? That kind of "ruin it for the next generation" reality?


You mean like when a conservative president in lock step with a conservative congress offshores the most jobs in any time in history? That kind of "ruin it for the next generation" reality?

You mean like when a conservative president in lock step with a conservative congress creates the biggest spike in oil prices, causing the biggest increase in the transfer of wealth from this country to the middle east? That kind of "ruin it for the next generation" reality?

With conservatives like this, who needs liberals anyway?


A conservative president or congress would never do such a thing.

[Kenny1234]

So Kenny, is it safe to assume that you think it's a great idea to make it illegal for anyone to say anything negative about homosexuals?


No, more legislation is never a great idea.

But whenever hate crime legislation happens, it only happens because hate (or fear) exists in the minds of socially inflexible people and a problem surrounding that hate and insecurity has surfaced.

If you dont like hate crime legislation, then demand that your buddies grow up and control their emotions and actions.

Think of it as emotional deregulation. Our goal is to deregulate and provide the most freedoms to people that you can, but some adult with a 10th grade education and a self-affirmed 'moral high ground' and carrying a tire iron is eventually going to screw it up and re-regulation regrettably sometimes appears. Its never anything to be proud of.

[Shonner]

But whenever hate crime legislation happens, it only happens because hate (or fear) exists in the minds of socially inflexible people and a problem surrounding that hate and insecurity has surfaced.

So we should ignore boring everyday non-hate crimes then like murder, child rape, and torture?

[Drewster]

Kenny, i have noticed a lot in your posts obviously you are very opinionative, not a bad thing. But you sure like to shove your opinion down others throat when you dislike when people do the same, but insulting and implying on people's replies to you is showing no more class than you claim to have. You may disagree with other people's opinions but there is no need to continue in the manor you have been lately.

[Kenny1234]

A conservative president or congress would never do such a thing.

The conservative(s) you voted for did.

Psychologically, I guess that explains your lashing out at liberals over conservative-created problems. After all, nobody likes to admit they were conned.

[Old_Codger]

No, more legislation is never a great idea.

That's good Kenny.

What I was talking about was the gay community trying to shove their lifestyles down our throat by this type of legislation, which would cover a whole lot more than tire iron crimes.

[Kenny1234]

Kenny, i have noticed a lot in your posts obviously you are very opinionative, not a bad thing. But you sure like to shove your opinion down others throat when you dislike when people do the same




Give it up, Drew. I said before that opinions are fine. But you didnt have an opinion. You intentionally created a false story for dramatic effect. Thats not opinion. You got called on it, end of story.

As for the others, I am only giving opinions when responding to their questions. Im not volunteering them unsolicited.

[Kenny1234]

So we should ignore boring everyday non-hate crimes then like murder, child rape, and torture?

No, but lets not go there anyway. Thats not the topic.

Im not saying enough that you need to put more words in my mouth??

[Shonner]

The conservative(s) you voted for did.

Psychologically, I guess that explains your lashing out at liberals over conservative-created problems. After all, nobody likes to admit they were conned.

I see, you're assuming that all Republicans are conservative.

[maiatcat]

Shonner, you do realize that Kenny is describing the actions of baby bush or were your comments tongue in cheek? Are you implying that Bush' has been a good president or are you saying that W can do no wrong?

Drewster, you noted,"Kenny, i have noticed a lot in your posts obviously you are very opinionative, not a bad thing. But you sure like to shove your opinion down others throat when you dislike when people do the same, but insulting and implying on people's replies to you is showing no more class than you claim to have. You may disagree with other people's opinions but there is no need to continue in the manor you have been lately."

Drewster, I know you were talking tongue in check with your comments about Kenny's actions to conservatives. You and I both know that we could substitute almost any one's name from the yard (liberal or conservative) in your text and your text would describe them. If you were not, then I would suggest you go read any of your conservative friends' comments. People here on both sides of the fence in the yard write their posts on asbestos with their pens in vitriol. If you would like, i could certain point out some selections to make my case.

[Shonner]

No, but lets not go there anyway. Thats not the topic.

Im not saying enough that you need to put more words in my mouth??

Just a simple "I can't" or "I won't answer the question."

[Drewster]

No actually, thats what obama said, you can quote him on it, he may have continued his speech in a different way to bilingualism but i know what i heard, maybe i heard it wrong, but i acted upon what i believed he meant. You may have heard something different. I didnt intentionally create a fasle story, but apparenty you just like just ripping on people because they don't agree or see the same way you see things, and so you pounce on them and throw rude comments and insult them for their differences just like you did with me. You are just making yourself look bad.

[Shonner]

Shonner, you do realize that Kenny is describing the actions of baby bush or were your comments tongue in cheek? Are you implying that Bush' has been a good president or are you saying that W can do no wrong?

Bush is a liberal. But I was wondering if Kenny knew that. Did you know that Bush is a liberal?

[Drewster]

And btw maiatcat. I hate that liberal, conservative crap. I don't label people on their beliefs because thats just rude. I speak my mind and what i think, just like everyone else in here. So don't give me this stuff about go talk to your "conservative" buddies. I stand with my own beliefs and opinion. I don't label myself on liberal or conservative because that labelling is Bull$t, so don't label me. We all our on different sides of the fence here, but a debate shouldnt turn into a brawl like the direction this is going.

[Shonner]

What I was talking about was the gay community trying to shove their lifestyles down our throat by this type of legislation, which would cover a whole lot more than tire iron crimes.

What bothers most parents is that teachers are pushing the gay agenda down their kids throats without a signed consent form.

[Kenny1234]

Bush is a liberal. But I was wondering if Kenny knew that.


Yea, I knew that. But he was still voted in by geographically rural Republicans looking for a conservative. He sure as hell wasnt voted in by urban liberals.

[Shonner]

Yea, I knew that.

So why were you calling him a conservative then?

[Kenny1234]

What bothers most parents is that teachers are pushing the gay agenda down their kids throats without a signed consent form.

What specifically are they doing?

Lets not mistake a policy of universal acceptance (awareness and neutrality regardless of skin color or sexual preference) as ramming ideology down throats.

Should they need a signed consent form from Whitey's parents to discuss colored people issues?

Should they need a signed consent form from Dad to discuss womens issues?

Where does it stop, Mr. Politically Correct?

[Shonner]

Lets not mistake a policy of universal acceptance (awareness and neutrality regardless of skin color or sexual preference) as ramming ideology down throats.

Should they need a signed consent form from Whitey's parents to discuss colored people issues?

Should they need a signed consent form from Dad to discuss womens issues?

Where does it stop, Mr. Politically Correct?

Universal acceptance? Are you the universe?

There you go again with the "skin color" = "sexual preference" test. You just insulted the skin color crowd.

By the way, it stops when kids are home schooled. The three R's as they used to say.

[Kenny1234]

U The three R's as they used to say.


Right, Republican, & Religious?

Is that what they are teaching in homeschools now?

[rdamurphy]

So, equal rights for gays today, pedophiles tomorrow?

Hey, it's just a sexual orientation!

Robert

[Paul1953]

Silly Rabbit, pedophelia is a straight thing, not a gay thing.

[rdamurphy]

Actually, that's not true.

Nice try, though!

Robert

[Old_Codger]

Well I can see Kenny's no one to try and discuss things with. Too bigoted for my tastes. I guess I'll add him to the ignore list.

[Paul1953]

Actually, that's not true.

Nice try, though!

Robert

There's the rare instance of homosexual peddys out there, But not in the numbers that describe those from the supposedly straight culture.

Go watch Shawshank Redemption, for a more immediate example.

[rdamurphy]

He makes a good foil - and a good example of a Liberal.

Robert

[rdamurphy]

You're using a Hollywood movie based on a fictional novel as an example?

Ummm, OK...

Robert

[Paul1953]

Missed the point again?

Lets put it this way, you get busted, dont drop the soap in the shower,ok?

[Shonner]

Right, Republican, & Religious?

Is that what they are teaching in homeschools now?

No one else is, so yes, that too.

[Shonner]

Silly Rabbit, pedophelia is a straight thing, not a gay thing.

Actually, that's not true.

Nice try, though!

Robert

Hey, Robert. You ever wonder why the evil horde even bothers to come out of the sewer pit? It's like they just walk into the crossfire.

[Shonner]

Silly Rabbit, pedophelia is a straight thing, not a gay thing.

So if it was a gay thing, then you'd be all for it?

[chucksc]

I wonder how Chuck is going to like working for the Chinese Government after they call in their IOUs and his job automatically converts to a Chinese Government Job when they take control. Will he lament about the good-ole-days of working for the US government?

Maybe he can host a campfire party on his one day off that the Chinese give him each year so we can sit around admiring our redneck status while verbally bashing liberal college professors, telling Foxworthy jokes, playing the game of 'whose got the longest visible ass crack' and opening beer bottles with our teeth. Life will be so wonderful!

And Shonner thinks liberal sexual pervs are the gravest threat to our way of life. :D
Kenny do you know who the largest US creditor was on Dec. 6, 1941? And whose confiscated property paid a large part of the Manhatten Project?

I probably won't work for the Chinese, but you left coast types already do....

[Shonner]

There's the rare instance of homosexual peddys out there, But not in the numbers that describe those from the supposedly straight culture.

Go watch Shawshank Redemption, for a more immediate example.

Gays raping a straight guy. Let us know when you find a movie where straights are raping a gay guy. I don't remember any kids or women in that prison movie.

[Shonner]

Missed the point again?

Lets put it this way, you get busted, dont drop the soap in the shower,ok?

Dropping soap does not turn one into a "peddy" or a homosexual on the spot. It may attract pervs, though.

[Shonner]

Silly Rabbit, pedophelia is a straight thing, not a gay thing.

What about necrophilia then?

[Paul1953]

What about necrophilia then?

Thats the Republican Party, but I digress...:D

[Paul1953]

So if it was a gay thing, then you'd be all for it?

Are you really that dense?

[Shonner]

Liberal Paul. Never with an answer. But always giving it the good ol' insult try.

[Paul1953]

yeah, right

[rdamurphy]

Uh, oh, Paul, he's got you pegged!

Anywho! Back to the topic:

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of[/I][/B] [SIZE=4][B][I]creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Robert

[maiatcat]

Now, Drewster, you should go back and read what you just wrote. I can now insert your name in your own paragraph about being civil because you are showing a lack of civility yourself. I never interjected anything really negative in the yard. I posted twice in the yard yesterday 1) about rda murphy's use of the word Democrat and about 2) your lack of civility and that of EVERY ONE in the yard. I am not saying that you were wrong to point out Kenny's apparent intemperance because he sometimes can be a bully as most people in the yard can be. As far as I am concerned, your original comment is an example of the pot calling the kettle black. In fact, please don't PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH because I never labeled you as liberal or conservative. I took you to task for your comment and nothing else.

I asked Shonner if he knew who George Bush was and, in light of the events of the last 8 years and by implication, who was apparently in part largely responsible for the problems that the US has gotten itself into? He could only respond that W is a LIBERAL PRESIDENT!!!! Now I used the word liberal. You should read my text more closely. Have a nice day, but please don't attribute to me things I did not say.

[mjs2101]

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907



It would be nice if a politician had the back bone to come out and say that today, but sadly it seems the "PC" police would not allow such a thing to be said in fear of "offending" someone.

Mykel

[Shonner]

It would be nice if a politician had the back bone to come out and say that today, but sadly it seems the "PC" police would not allow such a thing to be said in fear of "offending" someone.

Mykel

Politicians have no integrity and no shame. Someone should bring back the statesman.

[rpicardi1]

According to the Main Stream Media, when McCain changes a policy, it is called a flip flop. When Obama does the same thing, it is called "refining his position."

[Old_Codger]

There's a big difference in changing a policy you subscribed to 6 years ago and changing a policy you subscribed to last week. :rolleyes:

[rpicardi1]

There's a big difference in changing a policy you subscribed to 6 years ago and changing a policy you subscribed to last week.

When McCain changed his stance on offshore drilling, a policy he was against 6 years ago, it was called a flip flop.

Obama's constant changing of his positions, in order to appear as moving to the center, are still being called redefining his position.

Yes, there is a big difference. But, the media's propaganda will continue to mask those differences so the "Mindless Sheep" will never see the danger as they are herded to economic slaughter this fall.

[Shonner]

According to the Main Stream Media, when McCain changes a policy, it is called a flip flop. When Obama does the same thing, it is called "refining his position."

I heard that technically, Obama can't be a flip-flopper because he first has to have a position to flip from. So far, he hasn't honestly said what his position is on anything.

[Old_Codger]

What do you mean he doesn't have a position? He most certainly does.

Change!

With his gift of con - er - I mean gab, that's the only position he needs. :D