C&NW Route?

[qballbandit]

Hello,
Can someone some details on this route? I saw it in the files library, but would like to know if it is single or dual track, what type of yards it may include, and if it is detailed in trackside and vegatation, etc.

Thanks for any info provided,

Neil :)

[GreatNortherner]

Hi,

I suppose you mean the Cascade and Northwestern, or ADFRR 4.0? If it is the one you meant, it is an amazing route! It is very long, with several big cities and many small ones, lots of industries, very interesting scenery, and made for being a very busy route. It includes double track mains, some secondary lines and even some inner-city street-running.

Cheers!
Michael

PS: More info: http://www.vcnwrr.com/

[USRailFan]

No, he probably means Chicago & North Western, for which there is the Clinton Sub route.

[qballbandit]

USRailFan,
Actually Michael read between the lines and is correct. I do have Clinton Sub already, reworked it alot from a scenery perspective, and love it to death - can't wait to see the upgrade that is being worked on.

Michael, thanks much for the reply, and I like what you have told me so far, so will probably try it out. Also going to check the link in your sig.

Thanks guys, have a good day.

Neil :)

[revich]

The superb Cascade and Northwestern route begins along an amazingly detailed and enjoyable waterfront that extends for quite a stretch. This portion alone is worth the download. The terrain throughout is first-rate with very nice trees, vegetation and additional destinations of interest that are as richly endowed with quality structures and objects as is the waterfront. That being said, there are some lengthy stretches of otherwise beautiful countryside that would benefit from additional human interest details. This is also the case with a number of other top-notch free-ware routes, but who can complain when such talented guys have offered us their creations for free after months and even years of hard work!

If you join the virtual cnwrr (see the link above in Michael's post) you will undoubtedly have access to all of the extra route enhancements that a person could want, good fellowship with leading MSTS talents and some modest work assignments to boot! I wish that I had the time for that but I'm mainly a lowly route explorer.

It would be nice if someone would create and post additional paths for the public version of the route that is available in the file library as there are no intermediate starting points.

Rich

[ddcat2004]

It is a redone route of the ADFRR. People who have that ADFRR from the file library should recognize the C&NW route. They just made the route better. I am a member over at that site. It is a very good route.

Scott

[robertreedy]

That being said, there are some lengthy stretches of otherwise beautiful countryside that would benefit from additional human interest details. This is also the case with a number of other top-notch free-ware routes, but who can complain when such talented guys have offered us their creations for free after months and even years of hard work!Rich
Rich and all, thanks for the kudos, but to give a reason for the above - at least in the case of the C&NW.

When this route was originally started (the first year TS came out), I tried packing too much into a small space rather than spacing things out as I should have. As bits and pieces were added, this often begin to hit up against the allowed objects per tile (pre BIN) and performance suffered immensely.

There are a few tiles that could be expanded, but with the length of it, a person would then be running into an even larger download, which creates its own problems.

Wish it could be redone, but just haven't had the heart to redo it all correctly. Maybe for MSTS2, eh? ar ar

[qballbandit]

Thanks to all who responded, you definately have me interested in the route.

Neil :)

[snootnose]

I absolutely love the C&NW. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to email or PM me some already made paths. I only have the default one path that comes with the route. I would love to be able to start from different points on the route like I can on the ADFRR.

[robertreedy]

Don't know how to PM them on here, but if you will send me your email addy I'll zip up a bunch. Basically one starting from almost each location in both directions. 'Twould be no problem at all.

Just be sure to put C&NW or ADFRR in the subject so it won't go into the bit bucket ;-)

[ED_4]

I love your ADFRR, Robert. Too bad the C&NW version of it isn't easily available to the public without the need to becoming a virtual railroad engineer.

[robertreedy]

Edwin, the route itself is and has been available here on Train-Sim.com for anyone that would want it. The reason for no extras added to it publicly is the simple fact that it was re-designed by six people, not just myself and basically belongs to the Virtual Railroad. All I did was build to their specifications as much as possible.

Actually, the only items missing are all of the extra sound-bites which are incorporated within the hundreds of activities and rolling stock to add realism to the sim. These were done by Turbo Bill, and due to the support that would probably be needed if they were public, it was decided to keep them in-house.

Hope this clarifies the situation a bit.

[ED_4]

Edwin, the route itself is and has been available here on Train-Sim.com for anyone that would want it. The reason for no extras added to it publicly is the simple fact that it was re-designed by six people, not just myself and basically belongs to the Virtual Railroad. All I did was build to their specifications as much as possible.

Actually, the only items missing are all of the extra sound-bites which are incorporated within the hundreds of activities and rolling stock to add realism to the sim. These were done by Turbo Bill, and due to the support that would probably be needed if they were public, it was decided to keep them in-house.

Hope this clarifies the situation a bit.

Ok. I almost thought their different version is more added scenery. That's the impression I get when they described it compared to the public ADFRR. And thanks for clarifying, I do have the ADFRR already.

[Turbo Bill]

Hi Ed,

Even without the sound goodies, the C&NW version is very different from the ADFR4. Robert's team added a ton of new industries, new trees, buildings, trackside detectors, route scenery items and one big operational change. You have to run over the single track mountain region between Circus City and Perkins due to a large landslide that buried the double main track between those too towns. There's so much new stuff that it would be impossible to list it all.

[revich]

Has anyone made a detailed map of the C&NW? I couldn't locate one in the file library. I would like to be able to study one, not only for navigation purposes but also in order to create some new start paths. The route is so large that trying to take it all in visually via the rather small window in the Activity Editor seems overwhelming to me.

Rich

[ED_4]

Has anyone made a detailed map of the C&NW? I couldn't locate one in the file library. I would like to be able to study one, not only for navigation purposes but also in order to create some new start paths. The route is so large that trying to take it all in visually via the rather small window in the Activity Editor seems overwhelming to me.

Rich

If you have the C&NW route then that is logical to say that you are a member of that virtual railroad community that created it? Why not ask them for one? More than likely they have one.

[charlie]

If you have the C&NW route then that is logical to say that you are a member of that virtual railroad community that created it?

Edwin,

Not logical. :) When Robert said "...the route itself is and has been available here on Train-Sim.com for anyone that would want it.", he was talking about the version of the C&NW route that's in the train-sim library.

You have the ADFRR, but you can have the C&NW version from here easily...

regards,
charlie

[MStL51]

Rich,
Go to the C&NW website (www.vcnwrr.com) and click the route map link near the top of the page. Click anywhere in the gray map on the next page. A new window will open with the complete Cascade & North Western system map. Each individual cell of the system map can be opened (pdf file) and printed. The C&NW route in the file library is the same route that is run by the C&NW virtual railroad.

Terry
MStL51

[revich]

Thanks a lot, Terry! For some reason, pdf cells were not operative and the whole Cascade and Northwestern map appears as gif, but that's immaterial as I now have something that I can print.

Rich

[ED_4]

Edwin,

Not logical. :) When Robert said "...the route itself is and has been available here on Train-Sim.com for anyone that would want it.", he was talking about the version of the C&NW route that's in the train-sim library.

You have the ADFRR, but you can have the C&NW version from here easily...

regards,
charlie

Well, I didn't even know it was in the file library. I thought this was an exclusive thing to the members of the C&NW VR members. Sorry for not knowing. :(

[robertreedy]

Edwin, no problem. We just weren't on the same wave length yet. ar ar

We thought about this for quite awhile in the development of the route and came to the conclusion that it should be here also, not just from the C&NW site.

The reason for it being here (the same version we use) is just gratitude from all of us for Train-Sim helping to make it what it became. Without the people here both downloading it (the ADFRR) and providing all the goodies in it, the route would never have made it past the first disastrous upload.

That was just our way of saying a big Thank You to everyone here.

[Hoghead27]

Neil,
Cascade & NW is the most true rr sim I have ever run. I have completed 302 activities in 278 hours and loved them all. You should have a high end computer because the landscape is full of trees, bldgs, industries,etc. Hard on frame rates. The gang at C&NW must be very proud of this route.
Earl