Andy J
08-26-2008, 04:23 AM
Behold, the mighty Vz-52, or as commonly called in America, the CZ 52..
Yea, she don't “point” naturally, like the 1911 .45, this one, you will need to take careful aim with, and yea, she anit pretty, her lines are not graceful, like a Walther P38, she also is not very lightweight, actually, she is a hefty girl. To see what is special about her, you need to look inside, their, she is very special, and very different.
Another, fine historical fully functional firearm, from the family arsenal.
A while back, in another gun thread, the conversation got turned to 7.62mm or .30 caliber firearms, most commonly associated with Rifles, here is an 7.62 or .30 caliber, PISTOL..
Czechoslovakia, has a long history of building fine firearms, many famous European (non-John Browning designs) got their start at the Brno Works...The famous British, Bren gun being an outstanding example of that. With the “BR” in Bren, standing for “Brno” and the “EN” standing for “Enfield”
The Czechs also, managed to maintain a “weapon's independence” streak, even under the iron boot of the Soviet Union, the CZ 52 is just one example of this. One thing they could not manage to get away from was the Soviet Union, dictating caliber, they impressed apron the Czechs keeping the common to practically all, Warsaw Pact nations of the 1950's the bottle necked 7.62 x 25 mm or, other wise known as .30 Tokerev round. But the Czechs wanted MORE...so what is a small nation to do???
Easy!!!
The Czechs built their new pistol, with the battlefield tested but very uncommon “roller locked” breech locking system, with an short blow back recoil system. Based on what the Germans used, in the hugely popular, and STILL used MG42/MG1 Machine gun. This system, is extremely strong, and reliable. And very hard to describe in how it works in action ... If you, gentle reader, was sitting here with me, I could show you, and you would say “thats brilliant!” trust me, it WORKS, and works WELL.
And then, to go with the strongest military automatic pistol in the world (at that time) they loaded a super hot “Czech” load in 7.62x25 for the new pistol. A load, that is VERY close to .357 magnum performance, in many ways, and SUPERIOR in others.
With this load, the CZ 52, became the most powerful commonly issued military pistol, ever... And a true mechanical work of art....I know, it looks like some kind of slab sided hunk of plain steel, but the slide, barrel and recoil spring can literally be removed from the frame in less than 5 seconds!! No tools are required to strip this gun down, 90% of all the parts of the gun, are removable, with using the magazine floor plate as a disassembly/assembly tool!
With the hot, FMJ Czech ammo, projectile velocities, at 1,700 to 1,800 fps are common....
To put this in perspective, a common load for the 45 ACP, and 9mm respectively clock at about 1,000 fps and 1,100 fps..
Couple those extreme velocities, with a FMJ, steel cored bullet, with a much smaller cross section of 30 caliber, instead of the larger .45 caliber, or 9mm...
You have a handgun, that can “slice and dice” cars, and body armor like a rifle. But, alas, with all that power comes a price... It is not very effective as a “man stopper” the bullets would tend to just drive holes right thru your intended target, and go on downrange, to kill and main, blocks away.
And another downside, tremendous muzzle blast with big flash, and a rather “peppy” recoil. Yes, it will draw stares at the firing range, especially from the “9mm contingent”.
Their have been tests, that pitted common body armor, that is rated to be proof against handguns, and the cz52 with proper military ammunition, has reliably defeated it..
Also, with the super strong action, hand loaders, have pushed velocities well past 2,000 fps... Also available to hand loaders, are hollow point rounds, that would make this weapon viable, for personal defense, but still, it would be “too much” gun for most situations.
But if your ever faced with body armor wearing thugs, the CZ52 can be your ugly, plan, slab sided, best friend.
And one that won't set the gun controllers teeth on edge, because it is not the FN five-seven that is all over the gun controllers radar, That you cannot even get the hot loaded FMJ bullets for. LOL :D
Shown here, is MY, CZ-52 Pistol...Dated 1953, “Brno” in Moravia built this pistol (one of three mfg), it is in VG ORIGINAL (UN-REFINISHED) condition. Czech army marked, Numbers match :) Also pictured is the hot Czech ammo...it is CHEAP, so I "stacked it deep"...:cool:
http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/attachment.php?attachmentid=6195&stc=1&d=1219735409
Yea, she don't “point” naturally, like the 1911 .45, this one, you will need to take careful aim with, and yea, she anit pretty, her lines are not graceful, like a Walther P38, she also is not very lightweight, actually, she is a hefty girl. To see what is special about her, you need to look inside, their, she is very special, and very different.
Another, fine historical fully functional firearm, from the family arsenal.
A while back, in another gun thread, the conversation got turned to 7.62mm or .30 caliber firearms, most commonly associated with Rifles, here is an 7.62 or .30 caliber, PISTOL..
Czechoslovakia, has a long history of building fine firearms, many famous European (non-John Browning designs) got their start at the Brno Works...The famous British, Bren gun being an outstanding example of that. With the “BR” in Bren, standing for “Brno” and the “EN” standing for “Enfield”
The Czechs also, managed to maintain a “weapon's independence” streak, even under the iron boot of the Soviet Union, the CZ 52 is just one example of this. One thing they could not manage to get away from was the Soviet Union, dictating caliber, they impressed apron the Czechs keeping the common to practically all, Warsaw Pact nations of the 1950's the bottle necked 7.62 x 25 mm or, other wise known as .30 Tokerev round. But the Czechs wanted MORE...so what is a small nation to do???
Easy!!!
The Czechs built their new pistol, with the battlefield tested but very uncommon “roller locked” breech locking system, with an short blow back recoil system. Based on what the Germans used, in the hugely popular, and STILL used MG42/MG1 Machine gun. This system, is extremely strong, and reliable. And very hard to describe in how it works in action ... If you, gentle reader, was sitting here with me, I could show you, and you would say “thats brilliant!” trust me, it WORKS, and works WELL.
And then, to go with the strongest military automatic pistol in the world (at that time) they loaded a super hot “Czech” load in 7.62x25 for the new pistol. A load, that is VERY close to .357 magnum performance, in many ways, and SUPERIOR in others.
With this load, the CZ 52, became the most powerful commonly issued military pistol, ever... And a true mechanical work of art....I know, it looks like some kind of slab sided hunk of plain steel, but the slide, barrel and recoil spring can literally be removed from the frame in less than 5 seconds!! No tools are required to strip this gun down, 90% of all the parts of the gun, are removable, with using the magazine floor plate as a disassembly/assembly tool!
With the hot, FMJ Czech ammo, projectile velocities, at 1,700 to 1,800 fps are common....
To put this in perspective, a common load for the 45 ACP, and 9mm respectively clock at about 1,000 fps and 1,100 fps..
Couple those extreme velocities, with a FMJ, steel cored bullet, with a much smaller cross section of 30 caliber, instead of the larger .45 caliber, or 9mm...
You have a handgun, that can “slice and dice” cars, and body armor like a rifle. But, alas, with all that power comes a price... It is not very effective as a “man stopper” the bullets would tend to just drive holes right thru your intended target, and go on downrange, to kill and main, blocks away.
And another downside, tremendous muzzle blast with big flash, and a rather “peppy” recoil. Yes, it will draw stares at the firing range, especially from the “9mm contingent”.
Their have been tests, that pitted common body armor, that is rated to be proof against handguns, and the cz52 with proper military ammunition, has reliably defeated it..
Also, with the super strong action, hand loaders, have pushed velocities well past 2,000 fps... Also available to hand loaders, are hollow point rounds, that would make this weapon viable, for personal defense, but still, it would be “too much” gun for most situations.
But if your ever faced with body armor wearing thugs, the CZ52 can be your ugly, plan, slab sided, best friend.
And one that won't set the gun controllers teeth on edge, because it is not the FN five-seven that is all over the gun controllers radar, That you cannot even get the hot loaded FMJ bullets for. LOL :D
Shown here, is MY, CZ-52 Pistol...Dated 1953, “Brno” in Moravia built this pistol (one of three mfg), it is in VG ORIGINAL (UN-REFINISHED) condition. Czech army marked, Numbers match :) Also pictured is the hot Czech ammo...it is CHEAP, so I "stacked it deep"...:cool:
http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/attachment.php?attachmentid=6195&stc=1&d=1219735409