Question about installation of RS on a new PC

[blehmann]

When installing RS on a new PC does it suffice to install the original version off the disk and then simply copy a whole version of RS, including developer tools and upgrade MK 1 + 2 from an external drive or does one need to install the developer tools and upgrades one by one because entries are changed in the registry?

Thanks for any advice because it might save a lot of work.

Burghard :)

[OTTODAD]

Hi Burghard !

Even if the new PC is a VISTA one, then doing what you intend to do should work, the Registry entries created by the DVD install not being modified again by further updates as far as I am aware of.

And if they were then I would like to know what the logic of doing that is and would use local CONFIG files to store whatever instead ! ;)

O t t o

[Hack]

the Registry entries created by the DVD install not being modified again by further updates as far as I am aware of.

Otto, if you don't know for certain, then why bother answering? :rolleyes:

Burghard,

Since developer tools and other bits write to and read from the registry, I would strongly suggest installing from disc, then the update installers, and finally the dev tools installation (post MkII version).

[OTTODAD]

Otto, if you don't know for certain, then why bother answering? :rolleyes:

Burghard,

Since developer tools and other bits write to and read from the registry, I would strongly suggest installing from disk, then the update installers, and finally the dev tools installation (post MkII version).

I just had to read this "useful" reply of your's and am wondering why you do not practice what you preach ?

I know that doing what I said works with WIN-XP but not having tried it in VISTA can not vouch for it. But my in 30 years of computing trained to think logically mind would suggest that it will !

But I do know for sure that any RS update did not touch my WIN-XP Registry, checking it's files sizes in the C:\Windows\System32\Config folder before and after installing them and VISTA still using the same Registry would do similar !

Do you ever test anything before making suggestions or are they just assumptions ?

Do you "Know for certain" before giving advice, which forinstance was not the case on the subject of changing track textures in a route ?

Why do you have to comment on what others suggest ? Those who are reading replies to their questions will soon find out who gives advice which works !

Don't expect me to read your reply to the above ! ;)

And where the blazes are the RSDL support staff which should know all the answers, making us having to find out for ourselves the hard way ? :mad:

O t t o

[blehmann]

I installed the two upgrades and then the developer's tools over the original version which wasn't too much work. Then I copied the whole lot from the external drive over. So far everthings works fine and I got all my old routes and objects and settings.

Thanks for everybody's help!

Burghard :)

[Hack]

I just had to read this "useful" reply of your's and am wondering why you do not practice what you preach ?

I do make an effort.

I know that doing what I said works with WIN-XP but not having tried it in VISTA can not vouch for it. But my in 30 years of computing trained to think logically mind would suggest that it will !

But I do know for sure that any RS update did not touch the WIN-XP Registry, checking it's NTUSER.DAT file size before and after and is also used by VISTA !

Logically? Hardly. If you haven't tried it, then it would be safe to conclude that you don't know the answer. Therefore, you should not make an assumption on a procedure that may cause issues for the end user.

Based on your claim as to being "an expert" at all things PC (30 years wasted, IMHO), I would think you would know this. :rolleyes:

Do you ever test anything before making suggestions or are they just assumptions ?

Most of the time, yes. Much of the rest depends on observations made while testing, and creating or breaking other items. I believe my track record speaks for itself.

However, your track record is a mixed bag. Lots of useful info for sure, but with a lot of hooey and misinformation thrown in. Unfortunately for some, it can be difficult to decipher what's what in your posts.

Do you "Know for certain" before giving advice, which forinstance was not the case on the subject of changing track textures in a route ?

I haven't a clue as to what you're referring to, as I don't use default track. However, I am fully aware of what it takes to change default track textures in a route. I didn't just join into the community yesterday...

Why do you have to comment on what others suggest ? Those how are reading replies to their question will soon find out who gives advice which works !

I don't. I commented on what you suggested, and I indicated that this isn't the recommended procedure to install the sim or critical updates. Files that contain an installer usually does so for good reason.

Don't expect me to read your reply to the above ! ;)

Not sure if this was meant as a question or statement, so assuming the former:

Why should I? You don't listen anyway.

...and as the latter:

Why should I? You don't listen anyway. :rolleyes:

[OTTODAD]

I installed the two upgrades and then the developer's tools over the original version which wasn't too much work. Then I copied the whole lot from the external drive over. So far everything works fine and I got all my old routes and objects and settings.

Of course it would work, being the natural sequence of events ! ;)

What you seem to have done is RESTORE your previous updated with MARK-1 RS over the installed from DVD one and then updated it with MARK-1 and Mark-2 ?

Now that is peculiar because you can not install the Mark-1 update unless the original RailSim.exe is in the Rail Simulator folder and you can not update it with MARK-2 unless the MARK-1 RailSim.exe is in the Rail Simulator folder.

It would help others if solutions to problems being posted in these forums are reporting actual events.

Not restoring a previous RS BACK-UP after installing from DVD is not recommended for users of RS who have installed many add-ons and have made modifications to their routes and scenarios. If that RS BACK-UP has already been updated with MARK-1 and 2 then restoring it is all that is required !

Not restoring a previous BACK-UP you would have to install these add-ons all over again. No different to what we have to do in MSTS, unless a previous complete Train Simulator folder has been restored over the newly installed one ! :(

O t t o

[Hack]

Not restoring a previous RS BACK-UP after installing from DVD is not recommended...

Double negative. Please deposit a quarter into the can.

[OTTODAD]

Just in case that there are a few who doubt that what I suggest is not to their advantage, here is proof that it is ! ;)

Un-installed RS with Start / Programs and as happened many times before, the un-install did not remove all traces of the un-installed program on my WIN-XP computer, in this case leaving the Rail Simulator folder behind containing the RailSim.exe and had to delete it manually !

Then I installed RS from it's DVD and here it is:

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rsa/rs-dvd.jpg (http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk)

That done and RS working as it should, I then copied the backed-up MARK-2 Rail Simulator folder into it.

Here it is, you can tell by the new MARK-2 wide-screen setting and all but the original ALPS is working, just like it did before.

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/rsa/rs-mark-2.jpg (http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk)

About to sort out the MARK-2 ALPS problem with the help of Doug Keene and all versions of fully functioning ALPS routes will be available from my web site shortly ! ;)

O t t o

P.S.: The fix for the MARK-1 versions of the ALPS to not crash RS in MARK-2 did not work, no great loss for me, sticking with MARK-1 for the time being !

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