More Frustration Again !

[OTTODAD]

I am working on a new Freeroam scenario for the Denmark 2000 route, creating an ICE-3 high-speed service running from it's Eastern end at Hoeje all the way to the Western end and on the way meets many AI passenger trains going the other way on their own tracks. Yes, you can have AI services in Freeroam scenarios, like my CAJON-OTTO-MINOR does ! ;)

After spending 2 days experimenting, I am getting nowhere fast ! :mad:

Realized that using AI services running at different speeds does not work, like mixing the slower CLASS 166 DMUs with high-speed ICE-3 trains.

So I tried deleting the CLASS 166 AI services but did not worked, saving their deletion, exiting RS and loading the scenario again they were still there.

Removing their drivers, making them Loose Consists and moving them to other tracks did not work either !

Eventually the penny/cent dropped and after saving their removal and exiting RS deleted all Blueprints.pak files and after loading the scenario again they were gone !

So much for what Adam said in another thread !

Still got a problem with running AIs getting stopped by signals, the ones ahead still in a block controlled by them and will have to space them wider to prevent that.

Having to use the existing East end of tracks Portal, so that I would not have to issue an update of the route itself after placing new Destination markers, the first bunch of AIs disappeared having reached it, but a later one got stopped by a signal at Hoeje although there was no other AI ahead of it.

Now comes the worst, which stresses me out of my wits, not being able to find a solution !

There is this signal in front of the player service which for no reason shows RED, there not being another train on the tracks ahead of it and the oncoming AI trains are running on the other track:

http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/attachment.php?attachmentid=6374&stc=1&d=1220461192

Anybody got an answer for that, I doubt RSDL have ?

Below is what you should have been able to enjoy.

The way I feel now is to wipe RS off my computer and wait for more problems from MS-TS-2 ! :mad:

O t t o

http://forums.flightsim.com/vbts/attachment.php?attachmentid=6375&stc=1&d=1220461192

[tonyman2005]

OTTO why do you keep making everything a bloody freeroam scenario? why don't you actually do a standard scenario or whatever. seems like what your trying to do in a free roam was really never intended to be done.

a possible explaination of the red signal is your in free roam and the switch ahead of you is set to the converging track to the left. and since it looks like your using auto switches you can't change the direction of the switch. if your not using auto switches them you might have a piece of broken track between that signal and the next. or the signal just isn't set up right!

[Basherz]

OTTO why do you keep making everything a bloody freeroam scenario? why don't you actually do a standard scenario or whatever. seems like what your trying to do in a free roam was really never intended to be done.

a possible explaination of the red signal is your in free roam and the switch ahead of you is set to the converging track to the left. and since it looks like your using auto switches you can't change the direction of the switch. if your not using auto switches them you might have a piece of broken track between that signal and the next. or the signal just isn't set up right!

Do you really think he's listening?? He hasn't done for the past 9 months, so why now. :(

[OTTODAD]

Do you really think he's listening?? He hasn't done for the past 9 months, so why now. :(

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

All will be revealed shortly !

I want RS to do what I want and not what it wants !

Been doing this with MSTS for 7 years now and expect the same from RS !

O t t o

[tonyman2005]

i guess the old addage is true "You can't teach an old dog new tricks."

OTTO why is it so hard for you to give up on free roams and do the standard scenario or the timetable one since That is what they are there for!!!! the free roam was meant to explore the route not to have objectives and AI.

You remind me of my dad, YOUR BOTH STUBBORN AND HARD HEADED AND WON'T GIVE UP EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW YOUR WRONG

[djt1]

You guys don't know what you are talking about.


LOL, be careful you might tell Otto something he doesn’t want to hear again and then he might put you on the “ignore list” Oh No!

This his new way of backing out of a discussion that he knows nothing about, how convenient.

By the way Otto, did you get those screens that show older/weaker hardware performing better in KRS than the high end new stuff ready yet?

[tonyman2005]

LMAO maybe he needs to hear it again so just maybe he'll realize that he can't always have it his way and you can't make something do something it wasn't intended to do for very long before it breaks. which by the looks of it Otto has reached RS's breaking point.

BTW Otto can put me on his ignore list it wouldn't phase me one bit maybe i should put him on mine that way threads might be more enjoyable :)

[rdamurphy]

I want RS to do what I want and not what it wants !

O t t o

I agree with Otto! I've been trying to get my car to fly for years now because I want it to! I think I'll try driving it off a cliff.

Robert

[boleyd]

Something that I do not understand here. It seems that a small group of people are "concerned" not with the problems a customer of RSDL is having, rather their concern lies with the customer. Instead of discussing the problems these people choose to attack the person who is having the problem. Does this solve the problem? No it simply creates a clique of people bent upon policing the forum using their self-defined rules of conduct. Volunteer forum police add nothing but angst as they mob together.

Hopefully the adults will regain control and the discussion of problems will be limited to just that and making smart remarks about other forum members will be left to the "social networking" sites.

[chrisreb]

Something that I do not understand here. It seems that a small group of people are "concerned" not with the problems a customer of RSDL is having, rather their concern lies with the customer. Instead of discussing the problems these people choose to attack the person who is having the problem. Does this solve the problem? No it simply creates a clique of people bent upon policing the forum using their self-defined rules of conduct. Volunteer forum police add nothing but angst as they mob together.

Hopefully the adults will regain control and the discussion of problems will be limited to just that and making smart remarks about other forum members will be left to the "social networking" sites.

Totally agree - not sure why people are getting exercised about anything on the site. All posts have an origin in someone having a problem. I can understand if some people are frustrated when supplied scenarios etc cause problems with existing installations.

Even so polite identification of the issues is still the order of the day, after all without people like RDSL we would not have what is still a wonderful simulator.

Lets all understand that we all want the same thing and have no need to attack one another.

Sermon over!!

[Basherz]

Something that I do not understand here. It seems that a small group of people are "concerned" not with the problems a customer of RSDL is having, rather their concern lies with the customer. Instead of discussing the problems these people choose to attack the person who is having the problem. Does this solve the problem? No it simply creates a clique of people bent upon policing the forum using their self-defined rules of conduct. Volunteer forum police add nothing but angst as they mob together.

Hopefully the adults will regain control and the discussion of problems will be limited to just that and making smart remarks about other forum members will be left to the "social networking" sites.

It's not whinging Dick, this is the trouble. On many occasions now, it has been stated that "Freeroam Scenarios" ARE NOT DESIGNED TO RUN full AI traffic, like the Standard version "should". (Both on the RS forums, UKTS and I think here)

This isn't a recent announcement. So what are you suggesting? It's a bit like complaining about a razor on guarantee, not washing your dishes properly!! And still he persists!!

[boleyd]

So what? Why would you feel there is value in personal attacks on the person? The attackers gain ego enrichment amongst their fellow attackers and disdain from others for being just plain mean. I do not care if someone belongs to the Flat Earth Society and wants to complain about the horizon. Let them alone or at least try to steer them to your reality in a friendly and productive manner. A gang making fun of a person by taunt and ridicule is all to like the bullying we see in school.

We see too much of this behavior on the Internet as anonymous people are emboldened to say things they would never say to a person's face, or would not say, if their family and friends knew of their conduct.

I really do not care if the targeted person is wrong. Politely say so and let it alone. You have done your duty as you see it. Further antagonism only diminishes the antagonist.

[Basherz]

I promise to keep quiet then Dick! Perhaps you haven't had to suffer it for as long.

PS: I'm not a member of the Flat Earth Society either!! Should I be? :)

[madoke]

Some of the folks who did not go through the MSTS "experience" are obviously lacking the historical perspective that is key in understanding what Otto has been trying to do. The standard out-of-the-box MSTS was a very very limited application, and had very little to no customer support by the vendor. Otto, Sniper, and many many more mavericks kept pushing for capabilities beyond what the designers had given us, asking for performance and features well beyond the original design. They also had nay sayers ganging up on them now and then back then. The train-sim forum was where this all got discussed, argued about, many of the issues finally got resolved. The persistent people who pushed the hardest to drive these breakthroughs were key to making this happen, all to the benefit of all the rest of us users. MSTS is now orders of magnitude more powerful as a sim than it was when it was originally released, and none of this came from the vendor. It all came from these multitudes of nagging, pushing, persistent, sometimes irritating mavericks who cared enough to keep on pushing in spite of the frequent attack dogs biting at their heels.

What Otto is asking for, the ability to run trains in a realistic environment in a a free roam format is something that MSTS users have wanted for years, and with KRS we may have the opportunity to achieve that goal. Just because the KRS "box instructions" don't say its possible to do this, doesn't mean that it can't be done. Pushing outside the box is how you make gains, either through discovery of already existing undocumented capabilities, or through RSDL changes, or 3rd party upgrades.

I can tell you, from observing what occured with MSTS, that if the nay sayers and attack dogs don't back off, they will get repaid by the eventual loss of the best and brightest talents who are capable of driving this sim to a much higher level of performance. This forum lost some key people in the MSTS world for just this reason, and in my opinion it significantly harmed and slowed down the development of MSTS. You can learn from these experienced people who have the drive and time to work on these issues, or you can drive them away and end up with the very limited sim that we have today. Its easy to complain about other people. Its much harder to make significant change and stretch the capability of a piece of software without a lot of support from the developers.

Be careful what you ask for, folks. You may regret what you get as a result.

madoke (doug)

[august1929]

I am with Madoke and Boleyd on this, If you don't like what someone (in this case Otto) is unhappy about, why respond - why even read the post in the first place if you know that Otto, or some other person winds you up. It won't matter then if that someone is batting on about the same old thing, or something new - cos you won't read it, and it won't irritate you.

It would be a different matter if Otto was replying to your thread, but he started this one!

There is no margin to be gained in personal attacks, and it does have overtones of ganging up on someone - bullying. As for having to suffer (Otto) for so long - why? No need to log on to a forum where Otto contributes, no need to read his posts, no need to respond - easy peasy lemon squeezy...

I guess we all tend to be irritated by something though - my irritations (on line) are personal attacks or rudeness towards anyone who contributes to a forum - no need for it, period. A bit of tolerance and understanding goes a long way - and I apologise if anyone feels personally attacked by my last statement - not intentional...

Cheers

Rod

[bnsf1959]

Seems to be some personal attacks going on here so this one is locked!